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Home » News » Boeing, FAA Leave Airlines Hanging On 777, 787
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Boeing, FAA Leave Airlines Hanging On 777, 787

Matthew Klint Posted onJanuary 19, 2022November 14, 2023 14 Comments

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As cancellations on flights from around the world to the United States began to multiply, Boeing and the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) have left carriers in a virtually impossible position with cryptic and nebulous warnings about 777 and 787 operations linked to the rollout of 5G technology.

Boeing, FAA Leave Airlines With More Questions Than Answers Concerning 777, 787 Operation

In a multi-operator message to carriers flying the 777 on Monday evening, Boeing “recommends operators do not operate 777 airplanes on approach and landing to U.S. runways.”

No wonder ANA, JAL, Air India, and Emirates cancelled flights to the USA.

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And has Boeing bothered to even issue a press release or statement on Twitter to clarify this? Nope. It’s internal note to operators, as reviewed by The Air Current, notes:

“The above recommendation has been determined through the Boeing Safety Review Board and engineering pilot evaluation based on the uncertainty of the 5G operating environment. Boeing recommends that operators develop contingency plans for their operations.”

No kidding…

Meanwhile, the Federal Aviation Administration has published a new airworthiness directive for all Boeing 787 aircraft (-8, -9, and -10 variants), noting that 5G interference

The directive explains:

The receiver on the radio altimeter is typically highly accurate, however it may deliver erroneous results in the presence of out- of-band radio frequency emissions from other frequency bands. The radio altimeter must detect faint signals reflected off the ground to measure altitude, in a manner similar to radar. Out-of-band signals could significantly degrade radio altimeter functions during critical phases of flight, if the altimeter is unable to sufficiently reject those signals.

Notice, however, that the warnings carry a “may” caveat, as no definitive evidence has yet to be shown that 5G actually interferes with aircraft altimeters. The directive continues:

Based on Boeing’s data, the FAA identified an additional hazard presented by 5G C-band interference on The Boeing Company Model 787-8, 787-9, and 787-10 airplanes. The FAA determined anomalies due to 5G C-Band interference may affect multiple other airplane systems using radio altimeter data, regardless of the approach type or weather. These anomalies may not be evident until very low altitudes. Impacted systems include, but are not limited to: autopilot flight director system; autothrottle system; engines; thrust reversers; flight controls; flight instruments; traffic alert and collision avoidance system (TCAS); ground proximity warning system (GPWS); and configuration warnings.

Put simply: we don’t know but we’ll hedge our bets by saying 5G can significantly compromise 787 safety.

The directive can be summed up with this warning:

Therefore, the presence of 5G C-Band interference can result in degraded deceleration performance, increased landing distance, and runway excursion. This is an unsafe condition.

Hence not only the foreign cancellations but warnings from Delta Air Lines it may soon cancel flights and indeed United Airlines cancelling service and blaming it on the 5G rollout:

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While this may be a story of U.S. federal government incompetence more so than a failure on the part of Boeing (or Airbus), concern about 5G interference with aircraft has existed for four years. It’s not like Boeing never had time to think about whether interference would disrupt flight altimeters on two of its best-selling aircraft. And the FAA’s lackadaisical response to this issue remains indefensible.

More so than anything, perhaps this tweet by Jon Ostrower sums up the problem:

This isn’t a Boeing or Airbus story, this is about seemingly needless regulatory chaos and a patchwork of approvals and restrictions that have few overarching consistensies outside of it being one gigantic mess and a massive unforced error.

— Jon Ostrower (@jonostrower) January 19, 2022

But this is a Boeing and Airbus story too…this truly marks a collective failing. Even airlines knew this was coming and apparently failed to put sufficient pressure on regulators and aircraft manufactures to sort it out before it was proverbially too late.

CONCLUSION

The next few days will be interesting, as airlines from around the world try to figure out what guidance from the FAA and Boeing mean for 777 and 787 operations in a 5G world. Whatever the verdict, it is pie in the face for U.S. aviation regulators and another dark chapter in the history of U.S. aviation.

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Matthew is an avid traveler who calls Los Angeles home. Each year he travels more than 200,000 miles by air and has visited more than 135 countries. Working both in the aviation industry and as a travel consultant, Matthew has been featured in major media outlets around the world and uses his Live and Let's Fly blog to share the latest news in the airline industry, commentary on frequent flyer programs, and detailed reports of his worldwide travel.

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14 Comments

  1. DaninMCI Reply
    January 19, 2022 at 6:11 am

    It’s a big mess with failures on all sides. If I was Boeing I would have handled the PR differently on this issue and I would be looking at legal channels to stop cellular services and the FCC from using the 5G band. If you think about it Boeing 777’s have been fine for many years. It’s literally “We are flying along find and all of a sudden….” It would be like someone implementing an EMP weapon along the side of an interstate that could make all Chevy Suburbans crash. Chevy should have known it was going to be turned on since the government OK’ed its use in areas that could impact them. But the Suburban didn’t change. It’s the same old truck with big leather seats and normally fine in bad weather unless you hit it with an EMP blast while going 70 mph around some big cities. Sure Boeing should have done more but they didn’t ask for 5G cell phones when the 777 was designed and built. I blame the US government on this one.

    • Stuart Reply
      January 19, 2022 at 9:44 am

      What’s so concerning, or confusing, is that while your analogy is a good one it also is such that would be that no one was actually stopping anyone from driving the vehicle. Thus imagine some flouting the warnings and taking to the road regardless.

      How, as an example, if this is so dangerous, is Air France operating as usual? They have one of the largest fleets of 777’s deployed to the U.S. each day and not a peep. Where is AA in this? While BA and others are switching out aircraft and canceling flights, Air France has come right out and said its operations and flights are as scheduled. The entire thing is bizarre and makes you scratch your head as to who or what is reality here.

  2. Innovationfirst Reply
    January 19, 2022 at 8:03 am

    The bigger issue here is sn inherent susceptibility of these planes to those radio frequencies. This has been an ongoing problem for years, ask yourself why have we always had to switch our phones off on a plane.

    The plane manufactures put their head in the sand for years hoping it would go away, then thought they could lobby their way out of the mess. Blaming regulators is pure marketing spin to take the focus off their in action.

    If I am a terrorist I now know I can now use an RF generator at the right frequency to bring down planes. This is no longer about 5g

    • Matthew Klint Reply
      January 19, 2022 at 10:09 am

      But it goes a step further – it has not even been proven that 5G even remotely causes a threat (interference). It’s all speculation at this point.

  3. Kevin Reply
    January 19, 2022 at 8:08 am

    Let’s Go Brandon!

    • Jorge Paez Reply
      January 19, 2022 at 4:03 pm

      This problem started with Bush Junior so:

      LET’S GO KEVIN!

  4. Richard Reply
    January 19, 2022 at 8:26 am

    Suggest bringing some of those 744s parked at Victorville out of mothballs.

    • Stuart Reply
      January 19, 2022 at 10:07 am

      Might not be far fetched. Lufthansa is switching out its 747-800’s to 400’s for flights to Chicago, LA, and S.F. They have also canceled Miami. Apparently this is affecting the 747-800 as well.

  5. Dave Edwards Reply
    January 19, 2022 at 9:17 am

    If it keeps unsafe Emirates from flying in America it’s all worth it. And by saying unsafe I’m only going off the recent stories on this site about them.

  6. Stuart Reply
    January 19, 2022 at 9:30 am

    Anyone know of a good ol’ 767-300 flight I can get to MUC this week? 🙂

  7. GetReal Reply
    January 19, 2022 at 1:59 pm

    US carriers have received exemptions to continue operating with minor limitations on all fleets.

    Any disruption at this point should be very minor.

  8. Peter Reply
    January 19, 2022 at 3:58 pm

    Total mismanagement of a foreseeable and predictable event – which had been postponed many times already.

    How did other countries around the world implement 5G without significant disruptions?

    It is a systemic, infrastructural, political and cultural weakness: the USA can’t manage pan-national cataclysms, pandemics, etc.

    Could someone remind me in what category the USA is still “number 1” in the world – other than the Military??

    • Stuart Reply
      January 19, 2022 at 6:10 pm

      Sure, perhaps the most vital and important industry in the world today and in the future. The Tech Industry. We clearly are the leader in innovation around the world.

      Oh, and Entertainment We make really good good movies!

      Hmm, not too bad at Aerospace, Pharma, Science, Automobile, Sustainable energy. Should I go on?

      Oh, and Beyonce. Don’t forget Beyonce.

  9. DFWSteve Reply
    January 20, 2022 at 8:56 am

    When you install a college town mayor as the national secretary of transportation just what, exactly, did you expect?

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