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Staring Down The Barrel Of Nine Hours In Coach

Kyle Stewart Posted onMarch 10, 2024March 10, 2024 24 Comments
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Not looking forward to a long-haul flight in coach helped me appreciate… well, everything. 


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It’s been a very long time since I flew in the back of the plane on a long-haul flight. While I’m so fortunate that I can’t even count the number of trans-Atlantic trips I’ve taken over the last 15 years, I can recall every one in coach over that period. It’s three trips, five total segments over the water – each of them a mistake fare.

Mistake is always the key.

The truth is that there are certain things one graduate from and while it may not be egalitarian, I don’t think it should be shameful either. One might graduate from the bus to their own car, or from driving themselves to the airport to taking a car service, or from parking in such deep economy that you can’t see the car when you land, to leaving it right up front.

I’ve graduated from coach and every time in the back of a plane on a long-haul flight, it’s so clear. But when the mistake fare flashes across my screen, it never is.

This deal was $225 roundtrip from New York to Paris. As part of our “Year of Lucy” this was her last and final birthday gift, a trip through Europe with our family and her grandmother. A reader offered me some expiring upgrade certificates for the way home and those cleared immediately. I couldn’t be more grateful to that angel.

I’d done all of the things I could to make us eligible for flying in the front. I cut our party down to three instead of four passengers by splitting off my mother-in-law, I left my son off the ticket until the airport (because of age verification, American Airlines won’t process upgrades when an infant is on the ticket.)

My mother-in-law, a lowly Gold with American Airlines received her upgrade two days out. It was her first time in long-haul business class, and we genuinely couldn’t have been happier for her.

That still left two adults, one ten-year-old, and a lap infant in an economy row on the starboard side of the aircraft. That’s a crowded row of seats with virtually no seat pitch.

I had submitted for our own upgrades but until we arrived at the gate, nothing had cleared. We knew they had one unsold seat, and one person that hadn’t checked in, and we were alone on the upgrade list in positions 1, 2, and 3.

We were called to the desk. There was just one seat to be had and we could not upgrade the other two to Premium Economy despite the flight going out with four seats open in that cabin. More on that in another post. There’s no question that the upgrade would go to my wife who would also take our lap infant son.

That left Lucy and I in the back. It was a much-needed humility moment for both of us. She’d asked some questions that only a business class daughter would ask:

  • “Can we still pick what we want to eat?”
    • Kind of, but not as many choices
  • “But we can eat whenever we want”
    • No, this is just twice – immediately upon boarding and right before landing
  • “And there’s no way to make this a bed?”
    • I mean, if you lay this way and we score some blankets and pillows…

I think for both of us, though, it was a reminder that just traveling should be exciting enough. We are so excited to get back to Europe and Paris specifically. For my mother-in-law, Paris will be new to her, though she joined us in the south of France when we lived in England more than a decade ago.

In the week before, then again just days prior to our departure, I looked at a handful of ways to improve our stock. We could upgrade all of our seats to Premium Economy… for $2,000 each. Hard pass.

I looked at award flights on other carriers and found a handful of options, including using lifemiles or Aadvantage. We’d also have to find a way to get the airline to allow us to cancel our outbound but maintain our return. Ultimately, they provided an opportunity that would be hard to execute unless I switched our entire itinerary to a roundtrip business award spending points when I had intended on spending none at all and throwing away the $700 or so we paid for our coach flights.

There’s something odd about having the power and resources needed to stop your undesirable situation yet leaving yourself to fail anyway.

So it was just the two of us now in a row of three, far better than what we faced just before boarding. For some of it, it wasn’t that bad. The food was horrendous, and we were just a few rows away from empty Premium Economy seats but could do nothing about it.

But my daughter and I rarely have time together just the two of us. Somehow, not getting the upgrade made us grow closer to one another and it felt like we had shared something. We had, we spent nine hours in coach on an overnight flight yielding about 45-60 minutes of actual sleep before starting a tough day of walking Paris. We sat through the flatulence of a row of lads in front of us, feet invading our space from the rear, the indifference of flight attendants, the unfulfilled promise of catching a brief nap though never truly succeeding.

American Airlines coach

I stared down the barrel of nine hours in coach and it was what I thought it would be, but then it was something so much more. A reconnection with my daughter, an appreciation for what we often enjoy but take for granted, and a healthy reminder of what it is to be truly exhausted.

What do you think? 

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Kyle Stewart

Kyle is a freelance travel writer with contributions to Time, the Washington Post, MSNBC, Yahoo!, Reuters, Huffington Post, MapHappy, Live And Lets Fly and many other media outlets. He is also co-founder of Scottandthomas.com, a travel agency that delivers "Travel Personalized." He focuses on using miles and points to provide a premium experience for his wife and daughter. Email: sherpa@thetripsherpa.com

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24 Comments

  1. derek Reply
    March 10, 2024 at 10:56 am

    I would take a daytime JFK-LHR flight anytime over a redeye JFK-LHR flight in business or first class. Jetlag doesn’t happen on the daytime flight.

    • Alert Reply
      March 10, 2024 at 11:08 am

      @derek … +1 .

    • PM Reply
      March 10, 2024 at 11:44 am

      The other thing about these shorter long haul flights is that you don’t really have time to sleep. Even if you have eaten beforehand, few people can sleep through the meal service with everything that’s going on around them, so you are then left with 3.5 hours or something until descent. You can manage half a night’s sleep if you are lucky – that may be a lifesaver for those who have to go straight from the airport to an important meeting, but if the meeting is that important you should probably fly the previous day and get some proper rest. On the other hand, if you are travelling for leisure, paying hard cash for that flat seat seems terrible value.

      Flying e.g. between England and the UAE costs £400 in Y but one can easily pay £1800 in C and still not manage to sleep properly- far better to stick to the back of the bus and connect at IST/ATH for a chance to stretch out between two four-hour flights.

  2. Bob Spoons Reply
    March 10, 2024 at 11:34 am

    Just got back from a wonderful international trip with the family with flights around 9 hours. We flew economy (OK, OK, economy plus, thanks Premier Platinum). The premium cabins were a little sparsely filled, and the 5 of us we could have flown premium plus for an extra $3000 RT (total for all of us) or Polaris for an extra $6000 RT (total for all of us). A pretty “good deal” frankly. And we’ve taken these offers in the past.

    However, my wife and I have recently had a shift in our thinking. While we could technically “afford” these upgrades, we’re decently well off but certainly not rich, and it would come at the expense of something else. Like paying off the house earlier, getting a nice piece or two of furniture we can use for years, investing more in our retirement, donating to something we feel passionate about, etc.

    I love flying premium cabins, I’m not going to lie. But I’ve come to the conclusion that the price for such a short use of a product just isn’t worth it. (That’s a value judgement and others may not agree). We now have an “extra $6000” that we can invest in any of the above, or even use to take another trip. We all survived, and like you Kyle, we enjoyed the family time sitting with each other and connecting.

    No judgements on anyone, just sharing some thoughts. Enjoyed this article.

    • Tja Reply
      March 10, 2024 at 6:39 pm

      Totally agree! You know what I always say. Imagine you had a biz class seat and someone told you: here, I pay you 200 bucks per hour to sit in the other seat, would you not take that money?
      Yes it’s nice to fly upfront but the price is often not worth it, even if I can afford it.

  3. eponymous coward Reply
    March 10, 2024 at 11:37 am

    I’m happy to do empty seat or empty row TATL westbound in coach if I can get a nonstop. It’s next to impossible for me to sleep significantly daytime anyway, the fastest way for me to adjust time zones westbound is just to have a long day, the business class food is often not that good, catering ex-Europe is often better than out of the U.S., (and if I REALLY had to I could bring a snack onboard), and the IFE and personal space is just fine. Plus it’s very hard to beat 22,500 miles one way using Alaska or American offpeak (and offpeak is when you have your best shot at empty seat/your own row).

    Eastbound is tougher because that’s sleep time and I don’t sleep much sitting up, but glad you got bonding time with your kid. Mine got a trip to Paris for good grades in French class… and we flew coach.

  4. GS Guy Reply
    March 10, 2024 at 11:51 am

    “…that left Lucy and I…..” No, no, no! “Left” is a verb. Lucy and I are direct objects. You wouldn’t say “that left I….” would you?

    • Jfhscott Reply
      March 10, 2024 at 3:46 pm

      Have you not seen the terrible grammar before?

      Unfortunately he could easily say “That left I”.

  5. turgutbey Reply
    March 10, 2024 at 12:52 pm

    I just made the choice to downgrade myself from biz on Cdg-YVR-SEA to econ on the direct. I decided the daytime biz was not worth more to me than the direct flight on econ. The decision was tough but became clear as I was booked on a separate ticket on Alaska on YVR-SRA segment and they moved the flight up making the connection very tough. Still flying biz on the outbound even though it’s a daytime flight, lol. But it is direct and I have the points so why not.

  6. Uri Reply
    March 10, 2024 at 1:01 pm

    Just returned from a flight with 5h+11h sections each way – all in economy. I’m used to flying this route in business, but economy wasn’t too terrible.

    Started with 5h in an exit row. Easy.
    Then 11h day flight, window seat. Swiss had decent IFE, time flew.
    Return started with transcon red-eye. window. Sort-of napped all along.
    8 hours later, went on my last flight, 11h night flight, window. Tried to sleep, watched some movies, no big fun.
    Arrived really exhausted. Would do it again.

    One thing that greatly helped is that passengers in front me didn’t recline. I returned the favor to those behind.

  7. Hal Reply
    March 10, 2024 at 2:00 pm

    Heading to Hawaii with 3 kids and one in law in May. Will be my first flight over 2 hours not in J/F in years. Since the flight is a daytime flight, DFW-HNL in premium economy should be ok and we can seat 4 together. Bought one J ticket on the outbound so whomever is watching the lap child can put him to sleep.
    However, bought lie flats for everyone on the return since its an overnight flight. I’ve sort conceded that traveling with 3 kids is just going be expensive no matter where we go now. Points are pretty much useless cause you can’t find 5 seats in J together.

    • Beck Reply
      March 10, 2024 at 10:43 pm

      I speak from experience. Traveling with three nearly breaks the bank. We have been a few days with just our youngest and can fit in a single room, a single regular Uber or cab, etc and it’s so nice and SO CHEAP. We’ve had three for 15 years and it’s been exorbitant. We’ve even had to get three rooms in some countries. Sigh. Thankfully the oldest is mostly done traveling with us. We still get them all J for family long haul trips if we are going but I can tell they are spoiled. “This pod doesn’t have a door or a massage feature Mom/dad”

    • Beck Reply
      March 10, 2024 at 10:49 pm

      Forgot to add this. You actually CAN find 5 J awards on a single flight. You just have to really really dig and have a lot of patience and flexibility. We’ve done for 5: DL, CX, JL to Asia in J, AF, DL to PAR and JNB in J, the new BA in J last summer. All of these were for five pax.

  8. JoeMart Reply
    March 10, 2024 at 3:23 pm

    I fully expect you took the privilege of sitting next to your daughter for such a long period to discuss the nuances of French music and poetry. Perhaps playing classic songs and analyzing the lyrics.
    Douce France

    Il revient à ma mémoire
    Des souvenirs familiers
    Je revois ma blouse noire
    Lorsque j’étais écolier
    Sur le chemin de l’école
    Je chantais à pleine voix
    Des romances sans paroles
    Vieilles chansons d’autrefois

    Refrain :
    Douce France,
    Cher pays de mon enfance
    Bercée de tendre insouciance
    Je t’ai gardée dans mon cœur !
    Mon village au clocher aux maisons sages
    Où les enfants de mon âge
    Ont partagé mon bonheur
    Oui je t’aime
    Et je te donne ce poème
    Oui je t’aime
    Dans la joie ou la douleur
    Douce France
    Cher pays de mon enfance
    Bercée de tendre insouciance
    Je t’ai gardée dans mon cœur

    J’ai connu des paysages
    Et des soleils merveilleux
    Au cours de lointains voyages
    Tout là-bas sous d’autres cieux
    Mais combien je leur préfère
    Mon ciel bleu mon horizon
    Ma grande route et ma rivière
    Ma prairie et ma maison.

  9. Christian Reply
    March 10, 2024 at 4:32 pm

    I think you should get your children accustomed to flying coach. Sure, nobody actually likes economy but I truly think that you’re doing your children a disservice by them considering flying where almost everyone does to be roughing it.

    • Kyle Stewart Reply
      March 10, 2024 at 6:48 pm

      @Christian – I don’t disagree. I think I referenced it as “needed humility” for both of us.

  10. David Reply
    March 10, 2024 at 5:38 pm

    Your itinerary popped up in my calendar this week. At first I couldn’t remember if I had a client traveling that particular itinerary, then the penny dropped!

    Enjoy France.
    From
    The Angel!

    • Kyle Stewart Reply
      March 10, 2024 at 6:46 pm

      My hero!

  11. Phil Reply
    March 11, 2024 at 8:30 am

    Prole here. Looks like this was intended as a personal-growth-through-facing-adversity story, but none of this resonates with me at all. I know this is a travel blog frequented more by those who are entitled to the finer things, but this piece seems to originate from a particularly insular and spoiled place.

    The first time I flew with my kids, we were in steerage on a 15-year old 737 for 5 hours. Rather than “staring down a barrel”, the flight was incredible. Seeing the miracle of modern flight for the first time again through a kid’s eyes reminded me how spoiled we’ve become. That lens made me appreciate my subsequent business travels in economy.

    Anyway, write back when it’s 18hrs next to a pointy-elbowed stranger in coach from LA to Asia in 9-abreast configuration. Not even Singapore Airlines makes that journey fun and you’ll get more sympathy from me then.

  12. viapanam Reply
    March 11, 2024 at 10:43 am

    Defining yourself by being a person who no longer sits in coach on a long haul flight shows how shallow a person you really are.

  13. Aaron Reply
    March 11, 2024 at 1:05 pm

    I think there’s more to it than just the 9 hours in Y.

    I also take into account our time on the ground immediately after the flight. As in, how well rested we’ll be. And my children as well. Cranky children are no picnic, but cranky children while on vacation just adds fuel to the fire.

    Anyway, I say all that to say I just want everyone to be as well rested as possible in order to maximize our vacation while on the ground, especially if we’re going to be somewhere for only a few days.

  14. Flieger Reply
    March 11, 2024 at 10:57 pm

    If you travel on other people´s dime it´s easy to graduate from Y. If you´re paying yourself I find the price difference not even remotely worth it.

  15. Smith Nellon Reply
    March 12, 2024 at 10:00 am

    Sorry, but will not be among the survivors in any apocalyptic scenario.

  16. Eskimo Reply
    March 12, 2024 at 3:25 pm

    @Kyle

    I know you’re not one, but a lot of your readers probably are.
    You’re braking their number one rule of a typical entitled American Karen family when flying.

    You and your wife should sit up front getting drunk, and leave your 10 year old and infant to your mother in law and the flight attendant the whole flight.

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