There is only one major airline in the world I would not fly right now and that is Pakistan International Airlines. Harrowing revelations about forged pilot licenses should be a wake-up call for world governments to blacklist PIA until this systemic problem is resolved.
30% Of Active Pilots In Pakistan May Have Fake Licenses
In what can only be described as a mind-boggling confession, Pakistan’s Minister for Aviation has revealed that 262 of 860 active pilots (30%) are not really certified to fly. As many as 40% of all “pilots” in Pakistan are not certified.
It appears that many “pilots” have sent in others to take exams for them, forged flying hours, and thus lack the experience to be entrusted with an aircraft (let alone the lives of others).
There’s a political twist to the problem, as “pilots were also appointed on political basis, unfortunately merit was ignored while appointing pilots.”
An investigation has already launched against 54 pilots and the credentials of all pilots will now be checked. Nine pilots, including four from PIA, have already confessed to holding fake degrees. Some pilots are challenging the notices.
For Our Protection, It’s Time To Blacklist PIA
We shut the world down over COVID-19, a deadly but unknown virus. This, if I can analogize, is a deadly and known virus! Airlines have been blacklisted for far less (often for political reasons or questionable maintenance). I cannot understand why PIA has not been immediately banned from many nations until this issue is sorted.
I flew on PIA with One Mile at a Time from Manchester to New York four years ago. We had an interesting flight (to put it mildly). The hospitality was so warm and kind, though. I hope Pakistan can get to the bottom of this and ensure that its skies and its airlines are safe.
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CONCLUSION
Yesterday I wrote about the pilot error that led to the crash of PK8303. It is not yet clear whether either of the pilots of that flight had fake or questionable credentials to fly. But does it matter? Such a revelation by a nation’s aviation minister should raise alarms to the degree that PIA and other Pakistani airlines (Air Blue and Serene Air) are blacklisted until a thorough investigation is complete.
What do you think? Would banning PIA be an overreaction or a necessary reaction to the fake pilot revelations?
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PIA was blacklisted in 2007 flying to europe. In my opinion this should happen indeed again. It is a bit odd to ban other Pakistani airlines since they are very different to how PIA operates. They dont have political influence, that is the root cause.
You are in a hurry for some reason. The new government is in, they came to weed out the things like these.
The previous governments led by Asif A. Zardari (PPP) followed by Nawaz Shareef (PMLN) both parties are corrupt. They placed people in government entities without any merit, whoever paid them enough they placed those individuals.
To punish entire airline is not counter productive but also idiotic. Now the new government is in power and they bent upon weeding out bad apples not only from PIA but also from other government entities. So hold your horses PIA will bounce back on its saddle in no time with only qualified pilots in place.
Maybe in your wildest dreams, they will bounce back period! So how many more life’s will be gone then PIA will open their eyes to provide adequate security for its travelers? My dad had served in Saudi Arabian Airline for 40 years and I myself travelled with him all around the world with him. But we never had encountered any aort of problems with Saudi Airline!
That’s because people like Nawaz Sharif and asif ali Zardari never ruled Saudi Arabia. Before these politicians PIA was one of the best in the world people’s Sharif, Zardari, Benazir were just a complete virus for our country
What do you mean by Nawaz and Asif Zardari never ruled Saudia.?
I think private company owners of air lines were in Nawaz league govt. and to fail government air lines and bring private airlines in profit.
It’s not to ban PIA but Pakistani Civil Aviation Authority that will help address the problem. It’s not PIA’s fault that pilots have fake licenses nor it’s their responsibility to weed off fake license holders. The system allows pilots to obtain fake license, so a system-wide shakedown is needed. Unfortunately, international ban of Pak’s CAA means a ban of Pak operating licenses, be it pilots, engineers, even airline’s operating certificates. They will be reinstated after a thorough audit is done by ICAO officials.
I Agree.
Also in past there has been number of incidents by world class airlines which occurred due to pilot’s and crew’s error. I have not heard that recent PIA plane crash was due to pilot not having legal licence. I also think that PIA should also review pilots and ground staff training programs and schedules. Having said that, on short term, PIA should only allow those pilots to fly aircraft whose qualifications and licences has been verified so far. Blacklisting an airline is not an easy process and does not benefit when issues can be addressed for improvements.
The most important thing is ۔.check where they got the fake degree from..they are equally responsible for any accident.And this is also important thn no one can get the license from those organizations in future..Those departments who have verified these degrees are also asked. ..And this thing should not happen with the pilot of Pakistan international Airline in Pakistan only it should be checked by pilots all over the world.
Dude! You seem to have been in some kind of rush. Anyway, I believe blacklisting an Airline straightaway is not an appropriate step or solution to a problem. For such steps (which probably must be taken as last step) might put future and careers of thousands of airline professionals at risk. It is for IATA & CAA to launch an investigation to probe and curb such type of unprofessional approach by an airline. Heavy fines and other disciplinary actions could keep an airline on track. Blacklisting must come as an inevitable last step. Finally, one must not forget that PIA once used to be one of the top graded airlines of the world which helped Emirates and Etihad to step in aviation industry and to be the top airlines of the world, provided them with equipment and training.
For PIA to gain back its credibility and convince the world that its capable of flying again, all pilots should be re trained in a country like Britain which has the highest health and safety standard in the.world . This process will filter out the best of the best. It’s only fair for someone to reap
what they sowed. Jumping ques is not acceptable. Regardless of technology, one needs to attend class first in order to know how safety is handled. I believe Great Britain has the best trained pilots in terms of health and safety and every pilots license is on a “very good merit. No cutting corners.
so much coruption so many corupt people are destrying pia for their own purposes they dont care about innocent people who are dying becoz of them even i dont feel save and comfertable when i book flight through pia becoz of crap management
Ofcourse you never encountered any problem, otherwise we wouldn’t have heard from you. Luckily you were not onboard the flight involved in mid air collision over New Delhi.
Some comments say that Emirates and Etihad used Pakistani equipment and services. This is a lie. They hired a few aircraft engineers in the 1990. Also it is not the machine but the men behind the machine whi really matter. That is the problem,however corrupt the Nawaz, Zardari were,equally corrupt are the Musharraf’s ,Khiani and the normal every day Pakistani society, they loot and steal and use devious corruption in every stage of their days and life’s. There are these types of people’s in all countries, but the problem that Pakistan has is that these types are the predominant people in their society. Including their PM Imran and his cronies.
They will steal from their own mother’s and then say such things to make her feel that she did something wrong.
There are good people in Pakistan definitely but the rise of brand Islam has also enabled the unprincipled fascist hypocrisy,lying ,in th face misogny and an attitude of in humanness amongst most Pakistanis.
Ajit Kumar hindu khanzeer
I say that if you wish to purchase a “chance” on PIA, who am I to stop you? We have many choices in air travel. Select the airline that best fits your needs. For me, I’ll never set foot on a PIA plane; I’ve seen and heard enough.
Its all game plan to defame and ban PIA, Such an ass hole… Can u believe it… Civil aviation refused that no such pilots having fake license only 8/9 having ATPL License… But look at him how he demaged PIA by such speech. Motive to make path for ex airforce retired pilot to induct in PIA.
Their greed can never end up. Civilians will be left with yellow cab and uber
Pia is the best been going for decades all pilot’s around the World have been trained by pia pilot’s that’s a fact stop defaming the heratige of pakistan
My pakistani friends,the basic problem in your country is that no one is responsible for anything because of the dual power structure,first make clear who wields power in Pakistan and fix the responsi
PIA is still one of the best airline of this time. The decision has been take in quiet hurry rather they should investigate first then the fake should be removed banned. I am still not convinced that such a big numbers of pilots have dubious licenses. Though there have been political involvement in PIA matters in the past. But should be handled carefully and cautiously to screen out those who are fake and at fault.
Why extreme steps. PIA opens up and identified these pilots with fake papers. They are doing right thing to fix airline. if they are correcting faults and you are talking about banning them is not fair.
Pakistan aviation related fatality rate is amongst the lowest on the globe. Americas and Russia actually have the highest. So i think you should perhaps look at the facts before saying silly things like “how many more lives…” and similar statements. Furthermore, these so called unqualified pilots have been flying successfully but the point is the crash that happened was piloted by a verified and qualified pilot. Accidents do happen!
Pakistan International Airline should be banned from flying anywhere should be sold to a private sector who can manage the airline properly
How could you paint others as corrupt avoid the foolies this government is doing. This government is even more corrupt than previous governments. There is a problem in Pakistan but its roots are in establishment and judiciary nexux.
Indeed pia has some issue of corruption and management. What about others air line. Duddy go and study. Instead of barking think rwice you are a human .mistakes human error ,are part of life. You are advised to consult with mental doctor
Muhammad Ashraf- he is entitled to an opinion and for your to get defensive on facts and co done this behaviour speaks volumes and maybe you need a Dr.
Action is required byadministration from neck to bottom with out comprehension for God sack sick people,sick management,sick government.
Don’t forget that a majority of the pilots are not flying with fake credentials. Let only the genuinely qualified and experienced pilots fly from now on. Why should they be penalised? The political governments mentioned which were in power for over 50 years created and sustained this criminal mess. And…they were the darlings of the western powers who propped them up because it is easier to deal with obedient dogs rather than an honest and patriotic leader. Even now the super and not so super powers long to have these criminals back. They give loans through IMF and WB and the money promptly find its way back to western banks in private accounts. For over a hundred years Swiss banks have been dealing with stolen money, no fingers pointed there. PIA pilots and its systems are
just symptoms of the disease inflicted and nurtured by our real bosses. Obviously selling harmful chemicals in food and drink (all western fast foods, cola drinks), prescribing and later banning medicines without adequate testing, selling arms and ammunition to terror groups, buying kidneys…do not make the daily headlines because they do not carry the sensation of an air crash. So scream “Ban PIA”. Who banned the country which has destroyed Iran, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria on cooked up reasons? Who banned the colonials for the systemic murder of the people and culture of Asian and African countries, Australia, New Zealand, the US and South America?
The dude is right…. No point in venting out your anger on him… It’s because of the biggest problem of our country and you know what that is… Corruption!!!
Mr Ajit Kumar u should go and check information and videos about Emirates launch and how PIA pilots who were sent to UAE operated the first flight Dxb to KHi. And by the way go and check some of your country’s aviation record about cases of candidates having dubious licenses. Just jumping on the band wagon without checking the facts is not a fair thing.
I’m not sure even this government will be able to weed this out. The problem is the military not this government. All the best jobs in the country are stolen from ordinary Pakistani civilians by the military and that includes the role of an airline pilot. What would be interesting is to find out how many of these fake pilot licence holders have connections of some kind with the military.
You also seem to have some connection with military, one of hatred. These pilots were employed by your beloved Zardari and Nawaz. I don’t know how did you stumble upon military rod
Took pity on country pakistan donot destroy the system. Current govt.is honest before it all were wrong and corrupt ??????. this is my question . Please Accountability system shuld be model like Hazrat Umer Farooq R.A. corrupt shuld be hung, no one is above from law. Please see the credit of current govt. Nothing more than corruption.
Rama Naeem Tahir – FYI these Zardari people were never beloved to me as they were never my prime ministers. I am not a citizen of Pakistan and never have been, so please get your facts right. As for a hatred of the military as you accuse me of having, I don’t hate them per se. I just hate inequality and I’m not afraid to call it out wherever and whenever. Don’t you hate inequality???
Few years back few planes hijacked in US and destroyed twin towers ans pentagon, I hope you had requested to black list US airlines and airports as well.
Sorry 2 say, new govt is helpless, cant do any thing. its buoyncy is much negative so being thrown away every time. Imran might b rite but encircled by GURUs. Bechara cricketer, politicians me phans gaya
Sarwat, please get this fact in your head, people have died & more may die
It does not matter which political party gave jobs to who, neither it’s who.why.how or when, major problems are there & they need fixing now not later.
I, along with my extended family will never fly with PIA, I feel safer cycling from UK to Pakistan than fly with an airline where safety is not a priority.
Better luck cycling brother
PiA bounce back very soon insha’Allah
It’s so easy but foolish to place all the blame on military for a number of reasons.
1) Civilian are not interested in human development .
2) Military are producing some good well trained profession administrators
3) Cowardly people heading the various departments should have the courage to stand up to those who do sfaresh !
There is a dire need to punish people with fake or forged documents and not just dismiss them from job.
In Lower Courts, High Courts and Supereme Courts appointment of lawyers and judges from the Military too ??
Because they are well trained or well organized is not the solution !!!
Can u telme hw much u r paid by indian agencies and don’t forget that PIA ws the only airline who started and trained pilots for Emirates airline
agreed
Great Sir, these are our issues off course and we will sort it out but people rather than pointing fingers on us needs to look inside there own home, non to western negative propaganda
But Pakistan and PIA do not exist in a vacuum. PIA serves the world.
You should face the reality with open heart thats what the truth is stop speaking on behalf of political asylum you are facing in your country .. Life is at first priority rather then hiding behinds false expectations from new politicians with filthy corrupt minds a usual game show in pakistan ….Its time to say goodbye to fucking killing machines PIA airplanes with worlds worst pilots sorry they are drivers not pilots …..they cannot even communicate properly ……..
Living in a dream world Ali??? When you loose someone in PIA then comment. And that goes for all of you are defending PIA.
Theres a differentiation. Aside from culturally deep rooted corruption, any neglegence or lack of due diligence from airline operated downwards and above ie CAA and dependent aviation institutions should be held to account. The fact is; if PIA is serving the world, there is zero appetite for tolerance and aside the horrific Karachi trajedy; cock ups at ATC and/or pilot ends/over confidence of techy altitude misinformation ..aviation must be vetted inside out and cultural behaviour must change to align with intl stds. Privatisation maybe a n option for consideration?
If it were me, ehikst in government control, I’d shake it up, sack anyone in the line of sight of risk, lean up and invite take over interests.
Absolutely Correct
I think your article is sponsored by someone else against PIA which shows much propaganda against PIA! PIA is improving itself and remember it was thr World Best airline which created Emirates as Sister airline! Criticize only but don’t be personal to it.
With due regard to the expertise of Matthew as a frequent flyer, I very much like to question his expertise and acumen in floating such a quixotic suggestion. Aeroplanes of the present era are so technologically advanced that avid flyers like Matthew cannot become pilots in a jiffy, nor can they comment on the technicallities of aerodynamics and automated flying.
If we were to be o gullible, half of American and many european airlines would no longer exist. The cosmopolitan problem in the Aviation industry is that the unions over ride the policies of the airlines. The problem in Pakistan was further aggravated by political interference and affiliations with main political parties,an era which now seems to be over, thus such stark revelations. All pilots are tested by independent international testing agencies through flight simulators, It evidently appears that Matthew is either oblivious or ignorant of this fact. If then we were to lend an ear to Matthew, it is these simulation testing that is required to be blacklisted. Unfortunately, slander is a negative human trait and gullible we all are. I respect the literary abilities of Mathew, but will be straightforwardly open in pointing out that his writeup lacks technical depth, integrity and objectivity. In this part of the world such attitude is referred to as, “boring a hole in the plate after eating from it.” I am sorry for these remarks but these were prompted after reading that Matthew had once travelled from Manchester by PIA.,and obviously arrived safely at his destination.
My friend it seems that you are in a deep sleep and could not see the current government’s performance during the last 2 years. We need to ask Allah for foresight and guidance.
Prime Minister Imran Khan should hang Harami Zardari and Nawaz and prime minister Imran Khan should be hanged for his touting around the clock about merit, merit and 3 years passed all his incapable stooges enjoying.
Exactly
I really appreciate your comments
There was a time when PIA was the world’s best airline. People used to ferk pride flying on PIA. Piolts were skilled who lead the world’s top airlines of these days.then unfortunately the corruption in this department also penetrated ,and this how the best airline started declining. May be the opertunists are waiting for this time. I would suggest only bring those pilots who’s degrees and licences are suspicious and let other carry-on with work. PIA is already struggling and banning might completely lead to permanent closure.
Nice comment but still waiting when IK will hang such people on road when he cut hands on street when v c killing of crupt mapia v still waiting such man who wil do it…..
You stupid people blaming nawaz sharif and zardari never looked on selected donkey prime minister, whose 60% cabinet belongs to zardari and he is also doing same job whatever previous one was doing, there’s a huge un-elected advisers cabinet who is also a reason and burden on economy and result funds not available for this airline, I had IATA qualification since 1981 and closely watching PIA and while living in UK for last 15 years all apointments are in every department is impossible by political government without involvement of bureaucracy and establishments and still continues and present government can not stop it. When this govt. Came into power selected donkey PM, was giving statement in previous governments yearly 10 billions dollars money laundering was doing, but within the year this govt. Ban on imports and now mobey laundry is its peak which in one year Now is 15 billions dollars. I will say who are PTI workers even don’t paying tax but active on social media, please go through the country’s economic figures and then blame anyone, I myself don’t have any affiliation/or connection with any political parties. Thanks
Yeah right good luck…..My parents r not safe ….IF PIA DOESNOT GET BETTER ITS BETTER OF TO BE BANNED …….ASAP….WE CANT AFFORD ANY MORE LOSS OF LIVES .
Other parties were corrupted and Imran Khan Born in Khana kaaba.
Can I ask single one improvement in a single one department? As from his khabees appointment Pakistan economy goes down. When will IK stop taking and making uturns? Where are his comments which he made before his selection?
The country is great, just like any other country. It has got its nice parts and bad parts. Just the way that God made it. But from inception, it has been founded on lies, chicanery and false assumptions. If you say it is just the wrong people who lead the country, that is the problem. Then you should ask what drove those people to do what they did.
I know many Pakistanis in the Gulf, there are lovely people and there are bad people like from any other community.
But there is something you law alao, it is the overall social consciousness which has been Islamicized.
There is no other possible reason.
Even today if you ask most Pakistanis, why their country is the way it is…they will blame India, America and the West.
It is this victimhood, and the underlying morals of a medieval minded us vs them, we are entitled because we are khuda ka bandein, it’s ok to kill and be violent as Islam requires it, it’s ok to loot rape and plunder as long as it is Kuffar, these are the root problems.
Merit has no place in such a society. I hope it changes, for the sake of all the lovely Pakistanis I know. They are all silent as the culture of fear is very deeply entrenched. The army and the Islamic fundamentalist and the criminal minds are all together so powerful in Pakistan that a Truthful voice mostly cloudy nda meeting an untimely death. I pray all this changes.
You said ppp and pml(n) are corrupt but you will like to say about pti can you tell me about Peshawar metro project there is a lot of corruption all records of corruption is beaten in this project . And what you will say about shuger scandal and floor scandal and where is the petrol in Pakistan me Imran Khan is totally failed as prime minister of Pakistan
The problem with people is there Quick to jump if a European air line has pilots that committed Suicide with 300 passengers they must sack all the European pilots first as that’s disastrous problem much worse then fake pilots. With a fake pilot you got a chance to live with a suicide pilot you have no chance!!!!!
Totally unrelated situations. One is about mental health screening, which is a serious issue, and the other is about licensing.
Whatever the case may be but we have earned a lot of bad name coz of PIA. So its time to ban it really. Secondly the so called new govt of IK is incapable of doing anything other than lip service
For Mr. Ajit Kumar ۔.You should read it carefully, hope that you will know the truth and false.
https://simpleflying.com/emirates-pakistan-international-airlines/
Emirates worked very hard And that’s why they reached this stage today and they proved to be the world’s best airline .. ..our side in india and pakistan unions grilled our international airlines ..Excess staff ,Excess facilities to them ..Wrong decisions made it bad….like air india which is also in same situation ..In politics now a days the situation of the indian politician and prime minister is in front of the whole world anyhow… the need is that we should focus on the best we can do for our people …As Imran Khan is doing Alhamdulillah ..And Pakistan will come out of all these bad situations ..in sha Allah..
Regardless of the bad intentions and feelings of others..
Mathew, could you please comment on the corruption and integrity of your own country. Please let us alone. We do not need your readymade quixotic suggestions.
I think Pakistan International should be shut shutdown. the airline is managed really bad and the new government is not capable of fixing the problem with the Union. The airline should be shut down and sold to the best bidder and anybody who has half a brain understand that. I am from Pakistan and I’m also a pilot and for the sake of people’s life the airline should be shut down without getting emotions inbolved in the decision-making. I can I assure you set if the airline continues to fly it’s going to kill a lot more innocent people. Pakistan is near bankruptcy and people who don’t understand a stupid Once Upon a Time Pakistan International Airline was one of the top airlines but those days are gone
What makes you say the new government will be different. Imran khan just want attention. He took the responsibility to build the dam, what happened? Where is the dam now?
The trouble with Pakistan is that of a dual power centres and finally no one is responsible.Anyone with influence can over ride the system and get unlawful things done.I feel pakistan must set its power heirarchies straight before the system can be straightened
True
Asif Ali Zardari is the most intelligent politician of Pakistan. He successfullywafted the country out of 2008 economic meltdown. The present regime is the history’s worst and inefficient government in whom incumbency Pakistan has witnessed negative GDP . Nawaz Sharif too contributed a lot on road and electricity infrastructure. The country’s mighty establishment is behind maligning the papular leadership of the country.
How can we beleive that the new Govt. is not Crrupet all Politicians was with Zardari and Nawaz sharif now they are with Imran khan there is no one who think for Pakistan I have travel with PIA twice in My life but i was not have good experince we can not blame others where from they come fake piolets now they are still working with PIA in Imran khan Govt. why they are not fired from the PIA
Correct me if I am wrong but are licenses not renewed six monthly?
The reason people are in a hurry is because death is final and PIA is insanely dangerous. You don’t think having untrained random dudes flying airliners is an urgent issue?!??
It’s now two years.PIA is headed by a PAF officer..what did he do to clear the mesd
Super answer gentlemen and that’s true PIA will comeback with very good progress and to removing such Kind of these fake license pilot it’s not bad it’s just to safe and secure lives its good decisions and.. No one should had right to blacklisted PIA for this…
This is a safety issue. Not only PIA but also the other two airlines must be banned Air Blue and Serene. Any new airline from the country must have a 3 rd country certify the pilots for it to be allowed international flying. Just FYI the other two airlines have political influence in them too. A former PM is a the founder/ Chief operating officer and large shareholder in AirBlue. serene has some influential military men as shareholders.
You are either too optimistic or naive to think that So callled game changer Imran Khan will bring about a positive change, to understand my point much better, you need to look into other major institutions which still the same as before, cause the same corrupt politicians are now heading them, sh Rashid, fawad dabboo, hafiiz Sheikh and all. PTI government is nothing but the old wine in a new bottle. The enite system is in limbo and at the brink of collapse but like the legend said Nero was playing the flute while the city of Rome was burning.
A time line should define for pia to correct things although it has a major part in Pakistan airlines
Until things are sorted out and for the safety of the passengers and aircraft PIA, AIR BLUE & SAREEN should be grounded until each and every pilots and engineering staff is thoroughly investigated
a country and a society is improving if its bringing its dark secrets out in the open from hidden closets . well done imran khan and now you have to ensure a mechanism that it doesn’t happen again and becomes a criminal offense in the future .it takes guts which no one ever had
What do you expect when most residents of Pakistan follow the prophet of Satan who went by the name of Mohammed.
You bloody ba$tard come to the front don’t bark hiding behind the wall….
You let fake pilots on and people to die is insanity and madmess. Why would anyone fly PIA now? Nigeria my origin where dirty politics, bribery (money power) and influence play together. I became terrified flying any Nigeria airlines domestic or international.
U are a piece of s***…not all cabin crew or crew are same …u illiterate goon Motherf*****.
Please watch your language.
Ur a such a dumb a**
Mr Matthew Klint you are absolutely right they should be banned from Europe and they don’t deserve second cahnce.Roots problem are since they got independence.Except of appreciation they are using vulgar language which shows how educated they are.
PIA Best Airline in the world some big airline have even worst accidents in the history of aviation
When you fly on PIA what your Experience only tell the truth
It’s a shame and criminal to be in a cockpit without credentials of a real pilot. The only way to get some traction towards reform is to blacklist . Lives do matter for the government to sort things out in there own sweet time frame can only be accelerated by banning from touching major airports.
Source of the disclosure of the presence of fake pilots is the government.
They have already grounded suspected fake pilots and announced investigations, to enable them to verify the extent of the problem.
Many organisations have a whistle blowing policy, to address wrongdoing by people in-charge.
The current Pakistan has acted properly and avoided a cover-up.
Seems a bit stupid to respond by banning, it will send the message to everyone else. If you uncover wrongdoing by your predecessors and act responsibly to correct the mistake we are going to publish you. That will discourage others from doing the right thing.
Very true
The European ban on PIA in 2007 was only related to the use of the ageing B747-300s from European airspace, not the airline as a whole. Please get your facts right. This attempt to weed out corruption should be appreciated rather than discourage d by advocating such bans.
Sadly the airline has been mismanaged last 20 years by corrupt politicians and officials leading to the downfall of once One of the best airline, big example which establish , trained and even gave its plane & pilots to Emirates airline. (U can’t judge or punish all for few culprits) I am sure such are everywhere. But they need complete revamping.
There are lots of reforms required. No doubt about it. Damage has been done. I don’t know abouts others but I will think twice before buying ticket wen there are lots of other airlines with good track record are available why risk it.
Hey this is another conspiracy against Pakistan & PIA like the that gentleman said give it some time in the past 73 years there has been a lot of rubbish due to the incapability of our previous government… like Zirdari Gailani Nawaz sharif &so many others under the influence of foreign governments took bribes in millions of $ dollars to destabilize Pakistan & our so-called leaders did it wholeheartedly to the best of their stamina resources & jurisdictions every day we have to face a new challenge from foreign powers but on the other hand by the grace of Almighty Allah Pakistan still exists & will stay strong like a solid rock because it’s a fact no matter whatever they do Allah disposes He is the ultimate power & master of the day of judgement of course there may be some flaws in the system but,it takes time to correct it Pakistan is still 100% better & safer than India & is trying to improve its image in the outside world & practice peace & patience with its neighboring countries Pakistan is not the only country that where these accidents happens who will want to crash a plane to kill them selves & hundreds of other passengers.
Pakistan Zinda baad
PIA has been devastated by political influence. Incompetancy is rampant. Fake pilot licence and degree holders are running the airline. So many accidents hv happened with no result.
I strongly feel unless the airline is blacklisted, things are not going to change.
Matthew klint it’s very easy for to say blacklist because you are bore in country where no visa restrictions to travel entire world with us or British passport the life you people live in this world is very easy life but you never thought about third world countries what problems they r facing to live actually you people r totally blind people and only wants rule world by your thoughts that never happan this world is for all people and not for us and Europe citizens
I think nobody should fly PIA, till it is accredited by the international agencies as human life is far more precious than the corruption in PIA and the regulatory body CAA, of Pakistan
Other two airlines of Pakistan
Air blue and Sarene Air are run professionally and to the highest standards of aviation
“one day A man was entering in a building, but before entring he asked of the security guard on the gate… “can i go inside” he said “NO” YOU CAN’T.. he awaited more than half an hour seeing people going in out to the building . he went again to the guard ” CAN I GO IN? …HE AGAIN REPLYED NO .. SIR YOU CAN’T.. He said but all are going in out… guard said .yes i know but rule is that entring before ask the guard first then wait for your turn. they don’t asking me…and easilly finish their required goal.
The point is that if someone follows the rules in such curupet society where rule makers brake the rules and there is no rules no equal law for people ‘he might be punished like the man in the gate asking of entring… “WHEN THERE IS ONE LAW ONE PUNISHMENT FOR ALL NO ONE WILL BRAKE THE RULES OR ORDERS .. NO MATTER IF HE IS PILOT OR SELCTOR OR RICH OR POOR. GOVT OFFICIAL OR SIMPLE WORKER.
THANKS
Mathew i think PIA is not bad. Only management is responsible for such type of accidents. Because hired staff degrees were not verified by the department.
Hi guys the fact is have to accept the Fault I am also witness i have done course from PIA training centre Karachi jobs open for those who have relative,powers and strong backgrounds, and me as middle class nothing wasted my time and money although i did struggle,Now the fact is PIA is mostly politicized by Nawaz and Asif zardari, and also Army is same responsible too because it was a part of federal Government and no one take any action against the fake degree holders 80% staff is working illegally have fake documents and Qualifications and no one say nothing any one come and enjoy for money amd travelling as a Pakistani we have no answers for those 4 Aircrafts we have lost and what happend so far nothing. So better no comments more try not to travel with this PIA Airlines shame on Government shame on Army and shame all idiot politicians.
Matthew Klint please excuse these ignorant people I apologise on their behalf it’s disgusting and embarrassing and for them to attack you online this way speaks volumes on whose side they have taken. They are quick to judge but lack the mindset to sit down and question all these facts stated.
Bad Patches do come in lives of nations. Those who come back are the victorious. Our National Carrier will not go down on the wishes of the templers and Indians. We only need to clean up our own mess ASAP. We have all the brains and hands that are helping out the whole world out there. We can put this right as well IA. Just let me know one thing when was the last time u visited India.Thanx for the advice however
Gents any suggestions to improve the safety of passengers, rather than criticism. We all know the corruption was and is there but tell me the name of 1 country 100% corruption free? This is a step towards transparency and accountability, let’s hope they are honest to their nation. BTW PIA was in top 3
airlines in 60s. Thats now history.
Its really racism, world’s top rank worst airlines to travel belongs to USA. Fix your problem first before propogating nonsense, I dont know what issue you had with Our country or its national carrier, incident does happens and we will fix the gap, but we like our national carrier, better you mind with your own business.
He’s probably dumb ass “endian” or on RAW’s payroll. PIA is know for their great pilots and feather-light landings. Accidents happen all over the world. Is the world boycotting China for Covid-19? Obviously, there is some maturity issue here with the writer…ignore this garbage.
Dear and respected matheww ,
Plz dnt mind and donot answer these kinds of illiterare and numb people . Your opinion is good about PIA .we should dnt criticize writers but we should improve ourselves …thanks and regards .
Mathew you just played up he statement of the minister who is trying to cover someone’s else’s back. No inquiry has taken place yet. The all powerful military guy behind the crash is trying to shift the onus on to the pilots. This is also an attempt to divert the course of the case.
The author of this article is a f***ing bastered sun of a b***.
Thanks! Very constructive.
How many PIA crashes so far since this company started working? If the Pilots would have been incompetent then these incidents would have taken very often but instead a plane crashes roughly once in a ten year so why this ratio is so low? and plane may also crash due to weather or unfit plane or machinery failure so use your mind before talking sh*t.
I agree 100 percent
I wonder why the credentials of each candidate are not sent by the employers to the respective educational
institutions for proper
verification before accepting them for the job.
There may be hundreds
of officials in various institutions holding key positions with fake degrees like pilots,quacks and some politicians.
The only way to purge our
system of fraudsters is to
immediately start verification of all persons
currently employed and plundering poor tax payers’ money, and to verify every candidate’s credentials before considering him/her for the job.
May Allah Tabark Wata’aala bless our beloved country with
honest and genuine servants.
Aameen
You are a piece of sh*t, Not only PIA but other entities also has all fake degrees crews and pilots hired by Nawaz Sharif and Asif Ali ZARDARI corrupt Govt. PIA has 4 crashes in last 10 years. Their safety record sucks. There is no safety at PIA.
No One can stop PIA to fly in the blue skies. PIA WILL RISE AGAIN.
Yes, it is advisable to black list PIA at the first moment. Then investigate and remove all fake degree pilot from all Pakistani Air lines, not only PIA.
Re appoint all new staff in PIA, CAA, and Air Port Security, from all over Pakistan and NOT only from Punjab.
The European ban on PIA in 2007 was only related to the use of the ageing B747-300s from European airspace, not the airline as a whole. Please get your facts right. This attempt to weed out corruption should be appreciated rather than discourage d by advocating such bans.
I think punishing an entire airline for forged documents is not constructive. No airline in the entire world is or should be made responsible for such cases simply because it is none of their business to look after authentication of personal licenses and documents! Authentication and verification of all the pilots educational credentials, certificates and licenses fall on the shoulder of governments and subsequent countries’ responsibilities…. Therefore, this is either upto the Education Ministry and respective aviation authorities to determine if the people who say they are, are actually the ones whom the certificates belong. But simply blacklisting the entire country’s aviation authority also doesn’t solve the problem. Help must be provided and all the countries must unitedly help each other out and determine and punish the individuals including those who helped them get forged documents and certificates
Something good from from a Hindu very interesting lokks you’re well educated And good background
What kind of language is this.
It is horrific how people are abusing. It may make things even worse.
Everything is impartial in front of principles and justice.
Author is right to judge. Anyone can counter argue.
But according to me nothing is left to counter argur. Human lives are most important which have been abondoned.
I have travelled to Pakistan to by PIA a few times in the past, the latest being in october 2019.
I would say each time staff was fantastic and caring.
The pilot s did their job very well and took us safely to our destination
Some of the comments above highlight the corruption by Benazi Bhutto, Zardari and Nawaz Sharif governments.
I hope this matter is resolved as soon as possible. All the staff and pilots liscences should be scrutinised as soon as possible and cancelled if some of them found fake.
PIA are great people to fly with.
No when it’s in your corner it’s mental health and when it’s in our corner you chose your way no mate sorry !!!!
Pls stop blaming punjabis for everything bad happening. We know what MQM did to this country. It is not correct that all pilots are from punjab. It is also not correct that punjabis are illiterate. Punjab’s standard of education is far better then any other provinces.
I’m talking to the guy who left Pakistan jn 1958. When u have left Pakistan way back so just shut up now.
Indeed it’s a sad accident. These accidents happen all over the world. In 6os PIA was one of the Top airlines. It also helped in starting 21 new airlines. Every organisation goes through the bad patch. Why to black list it.
It was a time when PIA were operating for all of that routes when they were in trouble only PIA cooperate for all of those countries in the time of stuck and was in continuous operation our this major Airline of the world.
It is not the matter of blacklist or any other rules to implemented from your own side individually, in the government of our some past leaders has hired some of illegally for the different post of PIA but it is not only the thing of supposition.
Must should enquire about that what have done in the past with PIA, but not overall to be blame.
Pls do your researxh first…they were blacklisted due to flying old b747 aircrafts and not because of pilots.
PIA was world class before political interference destroyed the basic fabric
Rather than blacklisting PIA. Political people involved in this shameful act should be blacklisted. But again this is Pakistan and mafias are always protected . Don’t forget PIA golden
Past where it help nurtured top airlines if the world
It’s not PIA but Mafia Behind this horrific shameful act
But our politicians has no shame
What so ever I was flying with PIA and will keep on flying with PIA. Can any other airline assure that their will be no any misshape or error will happen
Yes you will do because you doesn,t want any country to grow their own buissness. Well you can do if you want. This is national flag carrier of my country and i will support it and we are working on it to make it correct, that what we had done in past.
Should mind about about your words as it hurt some people from this world.
Who the heck are you ,who comment against Pakistan international airline.
I am from pakistan and PIA should be black.listed it has become hub of curruption and no one is serious to correct it pakistan is providing cover to curruption.
They take cureuption very mind they should have slap.
What do you think if Indians do the same…4000 indian pilots found with dubious licenses.
India may have 4000 ‘fake’ pilots – NDTV https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/india-may-have-4000-fake-pilots-449891?amp=1&akamai-rum=off
Ahmedd Teri maa kei chute indian kuttay raw Kay paid naam bata apna asal Hindu suwar
They should be banned right away I totally agree with u….. Me and my family also had really bad n harsh experience… I m still battling with them…. If time permits I will share my incident as well
Lagtah hai murtaza tera experience buhat bura tha i knowTeri maa ko choda tha pia airline Kay pilots aur staff nay I understand bro
Correctly identifying the root cause of failure is the first step towards Corrective Actions
Corruption eats everything ….competence, potential, credibility and what not. Imran Khan is the only hope who has the character to put things right. PIA shouldvtake this as a wake up call and should start strict accountability against all odds come in the way of Pakistan’s reputation. Mafia should be curbed …better option is to privatize this white elephant if not then Khan has to choose between PIA and Pakistan.
Your statement is nothing but rubbish. Everywhere has problem and people hide them Pakistan does not hide anything that is why they grounded the pilot that they have doubted.
I fully agree that PIA should be totally banned to fly local and international flights.
What a shame that this organization is being managed with no accountability for many years. One of the main is political interference and strong control by non productive unions.
It’s about time that it should be immediately privatised and then see how profitable this organisation will become.
Case study of KE privatisation is front of us
I am a Pakistani living in USA for nearly 40 years. I am not surprised that this type or reports is out and popularly believed. This has happened because in Pakistan there is a culture of incompetence and problems are not followed and always corrected.
There was a time when I used to travel PIA frequently because I didn’t know any better. I have not flown PIA for over thirty years. I would fly PIA if there is no other option is available. PIA pilots are very able and experts in their field.
I would request PM Imran Khan to investigate the event through European authorities and clean up the problem. The reason I am recommending a tough stance from Imran Khan’s government is that PIA is an old airlines with a lot of potential. I don’t think they should be playing with innocent relying lives like that. PIA just need to be followed for a period of time before they can be trusted by international community.
Long Live Pakistan!
All of you who are making comments and defending PIA, did any of you loose a loved one on that fatal flight??? No I don’t think so. I lost my sister and brother in law and my four nephews lost both their parents in one day. One young man lost his wife and three children. One whole family of 5 perished and on and on. So yes this airline should be banned from flying. This will happen again – my husband has always refused to fly PIA because of its known poor maintenance – but now it is not only that but fake pilots too. This pilot by the way was refused was declared unfit by PIA (1989) due to psychiatric issues. But PIA was told by Wafaqi Mohtasib in Sindh High Court to enroll him (1994). I can post evidence of the ruling if you so want.
Mention your name 1st on correct way
Looks like pia pilots nay tumhari family ko sareaam choda tha flight peh zabardastie using ka baldla ley rahay ho comments mei
Country corrupt.. Since ever.. Non can change.. .. Asian like this
Everything is in air. Nothing is proved yet.
Everything is innocent until proven guilty.
PIA pilots are bravest pilots in the world. They fly where eagles dare. They were once on top of the world. Ups and downs do come. It’s time for them to overhaul, improve and lead again in all departments.
Calm down mate, This was never investigated before. The government has investigated and found out this issue. Now they have already banned fake Licence holders and they are investigating everything to make sure that our Airline is safe to travel. That’s why Pakistani government has announced that safety comes first. I think government is doing great job and let them do their job.
Thanks
Isnt CAA and JAR the issuing authorities of these licences… If these authorities are issuing And verifying such licences than we should just not blame PIA but also these authorities….
ASALAM O ALAIKOM and Hi to all!
everyone has given his/her deciaion that the governaments were or are corrupt it’s but just think why is it so because we’re. if we get a chance we commit such things but we don’t realize i.e while paying utilitty bills, getting anything by paying some extra money, avoiding the taxes …..there are many more examples in our daily routine. we don’t bother these things. it’s very easy to raise finger to anyone. Unfortunately we (Including myself) are always finding the thieves or anything wrong in others but not killing that criminal which is in side us.
neverever decide this that he/she is criminal or anything. just avoid to be one of those who commit this crime. trust me if we start doing this from our homes I bet change will be there. just we need to analize our past to change our present and our future will gona be good.
i’m not to old but i’m juming into 38th year of my life. i’m not criticizing anyone of you but i’m just saying be practical in our lives truely n things gona be okay….may be am wrong. it’s good to highlight the flaws but it’s ethically not good to say.If we so much capable why we are not on that seat which has authority to make or break the law ( PM, CM etc). we can’t because we know that where are we.
So it’s request to every single person who reads this plz we need a correction in us and we’ll se the change in all the world.
i am sorry if any word or sentence hert anyone.
https://despardes.com/india-4000-fake-pilots/
Good luck flying middle Eater and India Airlines that are full of Indo- Pak pilots.
A shame, but unexpected. I ran can try, but thit is a bit far down at present. Fake payroll fake staff. But lovely service. A real need for a top down shake up
Who flies PIA? No tks
Let all CAA staff, PIA staff, Punjabis and corrupt ministers and Waderas fly PIA
I agree 100% and also include Sindhis and Mohajirs too that were given undeserving jobs in PIA during Musharaf and Zardari governments. 99.9% of Pakistanis are crooked and corrupt and will bend every rule to get ahead. From politicians to Generals, Judiciary, Bureaucracy, Sugar and Flour Mafias, Police, Businessmen that don’t want to pay taxes, to average Joes selling fruits, vegetables, milk and meat, every one is out there crossing every line to make as much money as possible. That whole nation is nothing but a crowd of opportunists with zero morals.
What do you expect in a country where Judges are for sale, lawyers are like mafioso and enforcers and Police works hand in hand with robbers and crooks.
Is not good u say to black list pia airline but he can cancel fake license and put jail and investigate how he got licence and hows will provide this fake license.
Tottally agree with you 100%
Corrupt nation, corrupt leaders, corrupt Military and Muslims just for the namesake and ego like a fat ass.
KK you should add another K to your identity i.e., KKK
You sound so racist and not worthy of my time.
Specialist Monitoring body should be put in place to check & re-check all criteria function of Aviation System from pilots & Safety of the Aircrafts in Question, Especially when it comes to Safety of Human LIVES…
I can say PIA is corrupt because Punjabi nation and all fake licence holder select from Islamabad . They are lake of education and unprofessional. Even PIA crews have not any kind of training they just get job because they are Punjabi and have source to get job with out qualification, it’s time really to cancel PIA flying licence around the world so these in qualify fake licence holder Punjabi no more kill any Innocent people so Pakistani people Can fly safely with any good carrier company , except PIA. These Punjabi mafia make ing Pakistan a corrupt country.its time IATA take any action against government of Pakistan and PIA to Stop flying anywhere in world and inside Pakistan.
What an ideotic reasoning. This guy Jay has reflected his ugly state of mind. Your thoughts sound like the preaching of a shameful belief representating a cunning mindset.
You don’t talk sh*t Mr Shaihid and accept the reality, this is true Mr Jay is 100% correct. Pakistan is a corrupt nation with all corrupt people especially Punjabis and Sindhis governing the state. Fake degrees holder, lack of education, no qualifications whatsoever and get hired in all these posts without any qualifications or degrees by their relatives and their own people. PIA is corrupt and run by Punjabi mafia.
I do support Pakistan alot like literally alot and defend my country alot but this is so so ridiculous that such an great airline is doing this although its a Pakistani airline there is no criticism or anything like that but the point here is that this isn’t right like just because of a pilot so many innocent lives has gone i think we should give time to the new government but as well as to push and to put things forward so that they came under focus of the government so that they can dissolve this political merit system the one who deserves do deserve at the last no matter from where he came he came by learning and i believe one who is a hardworker can do learn and pick up things more quickly and carefully
I believe yes until the issue isn’t resolved permanently. The government authorities of Pakistan know already as this issue isn’t new but they’re not at all serious to resolve this permanently. They need to do a fair investigation to find out the real culprits behind the scenes and punish them making an example for the rest and for the good of our national flag carrier.
I’ll never again travel on PIA.
No need blacklist.only polit license need cancel who have fake license.and take hard dicion again that polits with others who behind these duplicate polits
It was well known fact that many pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses. As soon as it became known that the plane was too high and too fast on approach to landing that it was being flown by a very in experienced pilot. He probably was a PAF pilot who can make such an approach to landing. The relatives of the crash should sue PIA and Pakistan Government in international court. Every decent human being should stop flying in any airlines where there is a possibility that a pilot is from Pakistan . Remember Pakistan has the distinction of being the second most crooked country in the world after Nigeria. I left Pakistan in disgust in 1958 , yes 1958. Half of it disappears in 1971 and the rest is a failed state.
Very correct analysis, until & unless govt of Pakistan will not remove all 100% polluted culprits from PIA, CAA and Air Port Security, no Pakistani Air Line including PIA is clean. Reason is in all three pia, CAA & Air port Security 100% staff are from one province Punjab.
100% corrupt. Islamabad Administration are 100% corrupt in all means.
You are in a hurry for some reason. The new government is in, they came to weed out the things like these.
The previous governments led by Asif A. Zardari (PPP) followed by Nawaz Shareef (PMLN) both parties are corrupt. They placed people in government entities without any merit, whoever paid them enough they placed those individuals.
To punish entire airline is not counter productive but also idiotic. Now the new government is in power and they bent upon weeding out bad apples not only from PIA but also from other government entities. So hold your horses PIA will bounce back on its saddle in no time with only qualified pilots in place.
Commercial influence is as pernicious as political influence. It’s clear there are regulatory issues in Pk. Public and private airlines are equal in this regard. Ryanair plays low fuel games… commercial influence.
India may have 4000 ‘fake’ pilots – NDTV https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/india-may-have-4000-fake-pilots-449891?amp=1&akamai-rum=off
Excellent suggestion I insist be implemented before it is too late!
I think knowing what the problem is , is a step in right direction.
I think this transparency will lead to the fix that PIA needs.
This is extremely brave step Pakistan took.
No other country has courage to do so.
One Mr.KK
Gave his Verdict that 99.9%Pakis are corrupt.
So generous of him left .1 % .
Is it not quite too early to write boycot PIA.
I will be the one to request international body to conduct a neutral investigation on it on all Airline of the world.
I certainly believe that
Mr.KK will second this proposal.
Neighbouring countries of Pakistan are listed on higher rates in Corruption by international classification.
Let see what percentage of Good Pilots are flying in all world Airlines.
Sure no country will be doing or favouring this idea.
Because It requires stronger courage and that is only available in Pakistani Nation.
Will wait to see who write in the support of Neutral International investigation for All Airline. Though Pakistan is doing however would suggest that include in this investigation once again.
PIA should be closed permanently.
India may have 4000 ‘fake’ pilots – NDTV https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/india-may-have-4000-fake-pilots-449891?amp=1&akamai-rum=off
PIA should be closed permanently once for all
It must be appreciated that the government has taken strong action in uncovering such serious misgivings and it is because of the seriousness of these misgivings that it announced unreservedly and is bent on putting things right. PIA has been a great airline and will be again. To say PIA should be closed permanently once and for all is naive and stupid.
Agree! Shouldn’t be banned for lifetime! There is always a room for improvement!
It must be appreciated that the government has taken strong action in uncovering such serious misgivings and it is because of the seriousness of these misgivings that it announced unreservedly and is bent on putting things right. PIA has been a great airline and will be again. To say PIA should be closed permanently once and for all is naive and stupid.
Go to h*** you can’t afford to fly only stupid comments only
Using Word “blacklist” is racist
I could not find any references of it referring to a person or people.
It should be a wake up call for the government & PIA management to immediately ground all pilots with fake or invalid licenses/credentials etc. and take legal action against them. PIA and other airlines in the country should be given time (3 months?) to address with punitive action ((blacklist?) if not resolved. Relevant international monitoring authority must track compliance.
You forget “black box”….. dont be so picky . The author has no racist intent.
No, you’re a race baiter. Go away
The word blacklist has nothing to do with race or racism. We also use this word in my home country in the Spanish translation “lista negra” …. It is not being used to describe people/races.
Yes, racist! The pilot of Germanwings flight 9525 had deliberately crashed on the French Alps killing all souls on board. Where were these so called critics at that time. Why this pilot’s suicidal crash did not stir their minds to say something of this sort??? The answer is very clear…mindset!!! Having said that any pilot (in India, Pakistan or elsewhere) found to have a fake degree or dubious credentials) must be grounded and taken to task.
Let’s face it, all this is a result of sytamatic corruption which has been established for decades. Society in Pakistan have taken to corruption as the norm to succeed and survive. The people get the rulers they deserve. A complete change in the entire ideology of Pakistan and establishment of hard government is the only way to rid the country of the filth of corruption. Its led to a huge moral and economic decay. The tribal system must end. The only country in the world that re-electes the same person as ruler after he’s been removed previous due to corruption and mismanagement. Our leaders have no shame. They even elected a well know gangster called Zidari to power. But there is so much hope n potential, the system must change. The molvis must be held accountable as they instill a force sense of Islam onto a filthy system and the people are too afraid to speak out, less they be called infidels. Islam can save Pakistan, but not this warped, suffi secular style.
The minister has given a final verdict basing upon the preliminary report and without waiting for the Black Box data decoding from France. The report has pointed that Air Traffic Controller gave go ahead for landing without bothering to have a visual contact, had he done so, the Domino Effect might have been averted. The whole crash report and that includes all observers are fixed with a single narrative of Pilot forgetting to lower landing gears. I think it is very much possible that they lowered the gears and got the indication but gears were never lowered and indication was faulty… You cannot rule out any possibility in any crash, thus we have to wait for Black Box to answer our querry… Don’t forget that Max Air also got away by putting the blame on pilots… Happy landings always…
Tom Boon from Simply Flying news reported FAKE licensing by PIA in January 2019 .
If Mr Khan was tbe PIA aviation minister then , he should resign or be f __ed
A very humble request to all my Pakistani Brothers & Sisters, Elders & Members of Pakistani Community living abroad who has been using PIA for their journey to and from Pakistan that Please boycott PIA from now on.
We being a Pakistani always think that it’s out national airline, that’s why we try & prefer to prioritize our national carrier but unfortunately in return we get the shittiest service, extremly costly air tickets compared to other airlines. Non polite behavior of PIA staff, tastless foods with broken seats, faulty & non functional entertainment screens. An over all a very bad & uncomfortable journey throughout, worse then a 3rd class travel experience every time you travel by PIA.
All my brothers & sisters enough is enough, now it’s time to raise our voice and Boycott PIA with this Promise to our selves to use another airlines travelling to and from Pakistan to have at least a peaceful & comfortable journey for the amount we spend to visit our loved ones.
So kindly stop travelling with PIA.
Please Boycott travelling with PIA and kindly share this message with all your family and friends to do the same.
True
I don’t fly with PIA anyway and definitely won’t after reading about the fake licences from various sources. I have flown with British Airways to Pakistan which was a rubbish experience – flight delayed on takeoff by a late Pakistani and then delayed by 17 hours on my return to London due to the pilot taking ill so I may not travel with them either in future but will say that at least you can be sure the pilots don’t have a fake licence. Sometimes I think there is no worse enemy of Pakistan than Pakistanis themselves. A breathtaking country full of warm people but they can’t get their house in order. The military are mostly to blame for this. They won’t let any of the brightest young people in Pakistan rise in case they lose power. The military should not be this powerful in ANY country. Military should be in place to protect the country that’s all, not to wear the finest clothing, live in the largest most expensive homes in the most affluent areas and walk into the top jobs without even a formal interview.
I am Pakistani born American
I agree with you, airline is full of corruption, never had positive cash flow. It is not only corrupt but a parasite on country’ s economy where it keeps getting bail outs. It is time for
Pakistan to sell PIA to someone who can clean up the mess. Thanks
These wore employed by PMLn ppp took back hands to have employed ,also company almost sold bit by bit to making money prestige property and building all around the world almost but this new government come in to save what ever it left, its very hard to building something which was sold for next nothing. The building PIA transport and cleaning up at same time because they know that people’s have been employed no right education and people’s right paper work because Pakistan all previously government totally PMLn ppp have destroyed all Pakistan economy and well and power of the people’s Pakistan. must of the money are taken out Pakistan in in USA UK Europe
Let us see what the GoP is going to do. One needs to understand that it is the corruption of previous governments that has led to the destruction of the airline.
It would be an over reaction, when Pak government is transparent enough to publish all reports. I hope, they will let go marked pilots. What’s the point of keeping them anyways?
I wouldn’t be much worried about this anymore after we know bad apples were let go.
Although this all about the corruption in institute, Pilots as well as the sourese recruited such dubious are responsible.
You found many mistake from pilots during operation arount the world. Not means that blame whole the organization well.
Responsible should get ponished and verify the credentials of all airline personnel.
And this the situation with pilots ……. any one with fake credentials flew the plane should be charged with attempted murder……
Lets also verify credentials of all engineers and mechanics please!!!!!!!!!!
This is my point exactly. Even if you root out the “bad apple” pilots. Their presence in an international airline is only indicative of a much more sinister problem. There is no integrity in their system. There will certainly be engineers and flight attendants (who unbeknown to most play a crucial role in aviation safety) that have inadequate qualifications for their jobs. I am not attacking the nation or the airline. I disagree that over 99% of Pakistanis are corrupt. I happen to have Pakistani friends who are real stand up guys who work hard to earn their keep. But in this regard PIA is putting the traveling public’s lives at risk. And yes, by all means let’s check credentials of all pilots of all major airlines. But I guarantee you the situation will be worse at PIA. Just look at the number of accidents and incidents they’ve had in the past decade. By the way, I have worked in aviation maintenance for 11 years now. I’ve never heard of pilots selecting the landing gear lever and getting a cockpit indication of “3 green” (landing gear extended and locked successfully) while the gear does not extend at all but stays in the wheel well.
Banning or black listing PIA is not a solution. What about the career of those who joined the Airline via through proper channel and passed the exams or interviews and remember they are more than 60%. It’s not only aboit pilots, it’s about other staff working in PIA. It’s not their fault, so why you want to put their jobs on stake. Just find out who are the fake License holders and through them out or put them behind the bars.
Check credentials of all cabin crew they also have fake degrees can not speak English but get the job havingvsrx with hiring authority
Yes absolutely you are right, they are all hired by their own people or relatives, full of corruption.
Sell it and earn some money by letting other airlines flying into Pakistan
Folks do not fly PIA, boycott this airline, this airline has the worst safety record, four crashes in last 10 years, no safety whatsoever. Innocent people are getting killed for nothing flying with this airline. This airline has full of Punjabis fake degrees license holders hired by corrupt Nawaz Sharif and Asif Ali ZARDARI. These Punjabis and Sindhi Waderas are the biggest mafia in Pakistan. Corrupt Nation after Nigeria.
The European ban on PIA in 2007 was only related to the use of the ageing B747-300s from European airspace, not the airline as a whole. Please get your facts right. This attempt to weed out corruption should be appreciated rather than discourage d by advocating such bans.
I can speak good English where is your sister bring her to me as I can speak good english come on
Yes, must black list PIA If it’s full of corruption. As their country itself full of of fake papers, fake policies and fake pilots, engeeniers, doctors para meds etc, must banned this airline because it’s not only dangerous for those who are flying in it. But also dangerous for those who living under the sky where they are flying these airplanes without any proper education.
It well take time to building something like Pakistan the new government come in with nothing left. To building to what before 1970 which was very powerfull country economically and politically very active country in world and specially in Muslim world. Becomes socially active Pakistan people’s it would take time to building Pakistan people’s will and power again. Pakistan have 178 family and friends are running Pakistan till this been sorted out .Pakistan well never function properly all jobs was contract and control these family which was mogul empire and then British empire left behind in Pakistan
I request to read my opinion.
Hope and believe that you will write in that support.
162 pilots is already grounded and checking others as well being a loyal Pakistani I m not in a good position to defend pia but unless one is not accepting there mistakes and failures no one can fix it and I hope this will be one big step towards right direction
Pakistan New government improvements has been made they try improving systems has been abuse by previously by PMLn ppp took everything from Pakistan people’s they have left nothing behind and behaviour to Pakistan people’s was very bad they made them so desperate that poor people have no choice but to join the corruption and influence was the only way to work for poor they wore pushing people’s . It’s very hard come off corruption either way small or big same thing. Also there is some people’s went everything for nothing like covid 19 they don’t care about it so people’s this stage they about them and other, authorities doing everything possible to help people’s, but political parties playing games with life but don’t seem to understand that the political parties are using them for their own benefit it would long time before they understand what doing but be too late( Allah help before too late Allah have marcey on them.
Once on top now at the bottom PIA. Difficult to change things as morality has gone down the drain. No accountability & punishment. Talk talk & talk. No words to explain. A pathetic situation. No values for human lives.
This shows, how anti-Pakistan forces are working on different fronts.
Surely such (Mathew Klint) journalists/columnist have paid agenda on their back. GOP has took a great step for banning pilots with incomplete/suspicious licenses. Live long Pakistan and PIA.
I agree. They’re taking a huge risk with people’s lives. Both in the plane and the ones below on the ground. I am from Pakistan, but would not fly with PIA. I Disliked the airline before I saw this article because of their terrible service and old and uncomfortable seats. This article gives me another reason to avoid the airline. I would love to see them get their act together so I can fly them, but I have a feeling that isn’t happening anytime soon.
Don’t know the signs of coming out of slumber. How long the nature will have to wait….or may be heavens can wait…..let the brawl continue….
Non proffesionalism from the top down to the bottom.I m sure higher ups in the CAA were involved in making money by issuing fake degrees.How can we now trust our own airline and the pilots that fly it.How can these people be allowed to play with countless people’s lives.Arrogance and bad attitude.allowing people to work in this industry who are not fit for this job,general incompetence all the way through .,I mean someone must be held responsible for allowing this fiasco to go on,knowing that some pilots are flying using fake certificates,yet doing nothing about it.
Not following proper procedures meticulously as it should from the pilots flying right through to traffic control,control towers,It surely is the height of incompetence due to which 100 lives have had to suffer.
Surely now some heads will have to roll,it is criminal
Could not agree more. Any airline that cuts corners when it comes to safety should be given a wide berth.
They should be banned right away I totally agree with u….. Me and my family also had really bad n harsh experience… I m still battling with them…. If time permits I will share my incident as well
Please do Murtaza.
What do you think if Indians do the same…4000 indian pilots found with dubious licenses.
India may have 4000 ‘fake’ pilots – NDTV https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/india-may-have-4000-fake-pilots-449891?amp=1&akamai-rum=off
To correct the things,the government, must adopt, an intelligent strategy. Two years have passed,17 pilots licences were declared questionable,yet to be proven fake.The,airforce is interested in induction of ex-military pilots,which in past they tried many times.The reputation of ex PIA pilots,working with other well reputed airlines is good.Please,be careful, we must not hurt our image internationally.
Don’t leave a stone unturned. Keep up the brawl! Twist and grind a vivid picture. Hope you heard about the court orders and 17 licenses.
Name a country which does not induct ex military pilots to its commercial aviation / airliners. Please!
Blacklisting shall not solve the issue.
Root cause is corruption which is to be eliminated. Those responsible for issuance of fake degrees must be punished .
This shall ensure transparency in all such organizations globally.
Banning PIA will let the corrupts succeed who had done a lot to make PIA incompetent to raise there private airlines. So, if the minister have pointed 40 percent pilots then those one should be punished severely and new pilots with full verification should be replaced over them. This action should be as quick as it is possible.
I am sure, if the plane was landed safely on 2nd attamed the pilots were hero’s of Pakistan and PIA regardless the mistake they made on first landing.
I dont think who are commenting on punjabis, sindhis or mahajirs as the Pakistanis.. And what are their motives on this issue. Yes, if the minister said there are pilots with fake degrees in PIA, those pilots should be prosecuted as per law along with those who helped them in any manner whatsoever. Punishing others by banning national flag carrier is neither morally good nor permissible by any law.
Pakistani pilot world no1 pilot no need licence without licence we can fly ALHAMDULILLAH
PIA has already grounded its 140 suspected pilots and an investigation is being carried out and plans to terminate those pilots if their lisences are found fake.
wait and watch.
Rest of the pilots have genuine lisences flying PIA.
Root cause quota system, if government of Pakistan is honest remove quota and give jobs on merit, In 10 years Pakistan will one of the best country in the world. This quota creating hate between each other.
I am a British Pakistani and agree with Matthew. PIA was once a great airline in the 1960-1990 era.
Its amazing to think it helped a fledgling Emirates Airlines in the 1980s.
The root set when successive governments allowed standards to fall in the 1990s. I hope this shocking accident pushes the Pakistani government to reform the CAA and all airlines in the country
I’m a pakistani, proudly and sadly both.
Your article is what IATA should notice and ban pia asap.
Is this the way to communicate on public forum?
Educate yourself and learn to respect.
I think, it is going to be very hard for PIA to retrieve its status because this incident has tarnished its name & fame. Terminating & banning is not sole cause yet initiate thorough investigation into the matter. Scrutinize all licence holder pilots and then take proper verdict.
Ajit Kumar’s comments are a reflection of the BJP fascist bias against Pakistan. How can he equate Nawas Zardari nexus which allowed hiring of fake pilots with Imrans government that has publicly denounced it and exposed these practices? They are cleaning their own house which should be commended. I bet if india investigates it’s own practices they will find similar fake degrees for pilots and doctors. Level of corruption in India today is not much better. Bravo for Pakistan that we have the courage to confront and tackle the issue. They should be commended rather than blacklisted. This is shoot the messenger mentality.
The most important is that all PIA pilots must go under psychological and Psychiatrist besides professional test to be conducted by the European experts. The scrutiny will show the facts.
All comments coming on with exaggeration. The fact is if any disease exist any where u need a proper treatment by proper doctor. In my opinion this govt have doctors to treat this virus with full force and ability.
It is people’s lives they are playing with it is a serious matter. It could be your mother, father,
brother, or sister travelling with them god forbid if anything was to happen. Imran khan should deal with this as state of emergency I dont blame the brother for saying they should be blacklisted.
I’ll give you an easy way out. The day the rule of law enforcement takes place all your ills will shed.
Today you can’t control a bus or truck much less a rickshaw driver in Pakistan, what chance is there to get a pilot obey the rules and regulations.
Worst management heavily influenced by corrupt politicians but no doubt highly competent crew staff (yes it’s true)
This post is written in the light of recent investigation. The writer believed that whatever has been published is 100% correct and he himself hasn’t think once that if the pilot is not on merit than what second pilot was doing at the time of dilemma, secondly how this so-called incompetent pilot has made thousands of flying hours, thirdly just investigate once about the corruption of PIA management.
Last important thing is everyone has ignored the chances of terrorist factor.
I myself would like to fix responsibility towards higher management of PIA and that investigation report MUST be counter checked from some other foreign aviation experts.
If the report found false take strict military style actions against responsibles.
Not sure why everyone is coming to PIA’s defence….but to be frank:
• I would assume aviation licences are awarded by a separate body, as so the corruption is in that body and you cannot be 100% sure that any pilots from Pakistan have valid licences….not jus PIA pilots.
• This isn’t the case of defend your country…if you are you are very dim clearly PIA are gambling more with the lives of Pakistan civilians and their families more than any other nations.
You defend the licencing and PIA you basic confirm that they risk their lives and the lives of their family.
Think before you defend!
Perhaps they could bring in international consultants to fix the mess. Civil aviation authorities from India should be able to sort it out quickly, particularly given they’re nearby.
Indian CAA?
India may have 4000 ‘fake’ pilots – NDTV https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/india-may-have-4000-fake-pilots-449891
Lol l! Air India is itself is a corrupt institution, the world knows how evil minded these Indians are
Blacklist Pakistan itself. The country has done nothing for the world beyond sending terrorists across border.
What a scrap mind you have….
You should have to leave this world because you also doing nothing for this world except HATE…
Qasim Bhai. Aapke PM ne kal bola ki Osama Bin Laden “martyr” tha. Jab PM tak terrorist ke pichwade mein ghuse hain, to aap kya bakwas kar rahe ho?
Has Pakistan interfered with your family honor? If yes, I am with you.
Cow p** drinker spotted
Nahi bhaiji. Aap ooth ka mutr pete hoge, aur Arbi logo ko apna pichwada bechte rahoge, lekin hum kuch bhi mutr nahi peete 🙂
BLACKLIST PIA:
from his given introduction we know his rich experience of Mr Matthew Klint, could someone elaborate, for us his qualifications.
They should get new pia planes and do more investigation on plane before flying not to cut corners as usuall most terrifying death is while on plane and you have not contact with family or friends this is a very seriouse matter other wise ban pia forever… get to the bottom of this accident what took place in karachi iv experienced this on Airblue when we did emergency landing in karachi in june 2016 also plane crash when junaid jansheed passed away too please resolve this issue asa
O my all world.
Your here complaining on our airline and government. What do you think about germanwings flight 9525.
Muhammad Ashraf- he is entitled to an opinion and for your to get defensive on facts and co done this behaviour speaks volumes and maybe you need a Dr.
Mr Mathew
As Pakistani we are sorry about this problem but we are determined to eliminate all these people.
I want to remind you that PIA was the best airline in Asia, the crisis come from crupet persons,
Our minster is telling all these facts means we want to kick out bad people, very soon we would do it, please wait.
Every society on this world had bad time but gone and IN SHA ALLAH we would also get our goal of nation
In a saying in URDU
یہ وقت بھی گزر جائے گا
Mean
Bad time will gone soon
This Airline is operating when most of countries was not became on the world Map.
It still considers a safe Airline in the world.
Just check safest Airlines list.
What’s wrong with you…?
Indian Funded article.
Aapka Hijra hona chahiye. Kyunki aap sachai se bhagte ho, jaise napooonsakh log bhaagte
Although this all about the corruption in institute, Pilots as well as the sourese recruited such dubious are responsible.
You found many mistake from pilots during operation arount the world. Not means that blame whole the organization well.
Responsible should get ponished and verify the credentials of all airline personnel.
Regardless of your opinion, your article shows lack of knowledge. There were 182 incidents of airplane crash in last 20 years and that include all private and commerical, cargo or Passenger plane. Only 2 were PIA’s. There were incidents on part of European Airlines, as well other Asian airlines. Among these, If we count India only, there were 5 crashes.
Mr,klint may be you says right but please if you go back a little bit and check the history of PIA that what kind of services it provided to other Airlines then i think you must be surprised .No body in this world is perfect .i ask you the same question weather are you a perfect person.The problem in us in these days is that we says everyone is bad except us.Isn t it?????
Haider – it’s a question of safety. It is not a mistake that a proportion of pilots are flying PIA with a fake licence or in the most recent case, discussing the coronavirus during landing. These are not mistakes. The first is downright deception and the second is a case of carelessness. Yes, PIA has not had as many crashes as other airlines but it can and must do better if people are to feel safe flying with them. One crash is one too many. On a positive note at least the government are checking these fake licence holders and will hopefully put in place a system that prevents certain people from paying others to take the tests in their place.
Here’s my take on it.
Why an 8 year wait on 4000 or so unqualified pilots. The yard stick should be the same all over if we are regulated by ICAO. Click on link below.
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/india-may-have-4000-fake-pilots-449891
Dear, it is very good step of pakistan to remove the fake people. if minister did not highlight and through the issue under carpet no body know. thanks for new imran khan govt to take action and renovating and restructuring PIA.
Dear Mr. Mattew Klint. May be you are right but kindly write something about innocent people dying in Indian occupied Kashmir, Palestine and in areas where Muslims live in majority. I would suggest you to visit these areas and write about it. That would be very hard for you. Don’t forget we are all the children of the same GOD. Moreover, write about people who racist. You are one of them as well so write about yourself.
the authorities are investigating and it is not proven yet but the dogs like you start barking. They will be kicked out if there is a problem with their license, rest assured.
It’s like when there is a terrorist attack in other countries, the solidarity massages keep pouring and when there is something similar happenimg in Pakistan the dogs like you start barking and propogate ban.. shame on you
YES GIVE DEAD LINE TO PIA….IF IT DOESNOT COMPLY…..BAN IT ..UNTILL IT COMES ON TRACK….SOME HARD STEPS NEED TO BE TAKEN …..SOME LIVES HAVE TO BE SACRFICED…..TO SAVE SOME … INCLUDING TOP BLACK BRASS OF PIA….THE BLACK WOLVES SITTING THERE.
The pilots will be detained for their licenses to make sure Pakistan will fulfill 100% authentic standards and corruption free aviation industry. This is good for Pakistan, one cannot solve a problem unless they know the cause of problem. Pakistan is on the correct path now, I think your article is baised against Pakistan.
Are you serious ..
The way that you start your column are you called yourself a columnist are you in your senses.
May be you are right but the thing that you are forcing the world that blacklist PIA. Who are you man if you have any issue why don’t you travel in other airlines alots of airline in this world.
Either you can give a suggestion to your so called world that we should have a international standard that every passenger carrying pilots has to get register his self in that..
SOP for international or national flight should embose but blacklisting is not a solution..
https://www.dawn.com/news/1565317/dubious-pilot-licences-do-not-pertain-to-pia-alone-says-national-carrier
The problem is related to Civil aviation authority in this particular Case. Nevertheless pia needs to improve and to jump for a straight away ban don’t solve anything
I think PIA ENGINEERING license also fake
PIA, once considered one of the best airlines, is now a symbol of shame and embarrassment.
Is. The PIA should be shut down immediately and an investigation should be conducted by an impartial body.
Travel from PIA should be banned immediately.
And the elements involved in the destruction of the PIA should be severely punished. Whether it is Nawaz Sharif, the thief and looter, or Zardari, the king of robbers.
Traveling to PIA is like inviting your own death
Prime Minister Imran Khan, time is passing fast and you do not know why you are sleeping
seems that Imran Khan is scared. If you are scared, resign and go home.
Please do not take any more time. Do you also want 15-20 years to eradicate corruption from Pakistan?
Based on some of the comments here I don’t think Matthew should plan on traveling to Pakistan in the near future. That mileage run just went out the door should Qatar publish a $400 r/t in business to Islamabad. 🙂
PIA new slogan come die with us
Your statement is wrong, you are blaming. Have you any proof to confirm your allegation? Is whole country is corrupt? Our PM is an honest more than anyone in the world and elected by an honest nation. Trying very hard to kick all 3% or 4% dishonest and non professional govt/non govt employees
Nadan dost say Dana dushman behtr. Mr PM, we respect you but, r u in the beauty parlour. Come out and hang the corrupts as was done by khumeni. Even if any chief justice or courts become hurdle, do hang them. Because law has no worth if whole nation is suffering and law help the corrupts. Abondon such laws.
I just dont get it. 822 pilots for the fleet of merely 30 planes. This. Is just insane.
Over reaction
Oh ok!! I do admit some of these allegations, but u must have heard that one dirty fish pollutes the whole pond, UNFORTUNATLY we had many of them we have had those dirty fishes as President (Asif zardari ) n PM (Nawaz Sharif).. ONCE PIA owned Respect and flew proudly among well kown successfull Airlines than corrutiopn entered in this entity as well and started destroying the roots, (You must have seen corruppted sections in you own country or any of world’s developed country as this is obvious but i think we should cure the cause behind the disease instead of punishing patient, By not letting anyone to treat him as he was unfortunate enough to get it, So Now Take off your shades and See IMRAN KHAN is working selflessly to treat disease like corruption, and will make PIA n other entities Clean.. Just hold your Horses man.. We are very hopfull for the bright future.. LIVE LONG PAKISTAN AMEEN
Get RID OF CIVILIAN COURTS IF YOU WANT PAKISTAN TO SURVIVE
It takes alot of courage to atleast admit that there’s a flaw in the system. One should appreciate that. The flight operations should be suspended by PIA themselves before any foreign countries stop them from landing PIA planes on their soil. Have a fast track scrutiny for all pilots, get them accredited by world renowned airlines, like Emirates, etc and then reopen flight operations. Only then they would regain the confidence of its customers.
You propose a reasonable solution.
Not happening. Cuz Pakistan
I’m actually surprised that they came out with it like it’s a revelation. It’s actually common knowledge
Its good to blacklist PIA as being pakistani we even don’t have any privelage to use this. We are being charged more then other airlines for the same route.when we are in trouble government Don’t allow to take pakistanis back to Pakistan even Chinese was traveling.i always prefer china southern as it gives more benefits and less price.why i support such airlines whose officers said send your student card via DHL in office if you wanna claim your student discount while i was in china buying tickets to go pakistan.then i used that money to buy china southern ticket and also got discount.after listening to prime minister speech i become savage and decided to use PIA for next travel but i get good response from them.i still have records of what they said on calls.
Definitely a necessary action. Those who know the Pakistani society dynamics, would have not been appalled by the revelations. Political and racial nepotism is not actually destroyed the merit and competence, but also created extremism in the society. Dont forget, this was the nation who created ‘talibans’ in the region.
It’s sad to write but on humanity grounds the PIA should be BANNED to fly until a complete Neutral investigation is done. More revelation will come into knowledge. I feel the initial investigations are just a tip of the iceberg as more would come out.
All the pilots must be reassessed by foreign experts. If the current government did an investigation locally then these Ghost so called Pilots will make another survive.
Those who attempted exams on behalf of these fake Pilots are equally responsible.
The licenses of both kind of pilots must be cancelled forever immediately in order to save lives of innocent trusting passengers. This is how PIA can Regain publicTrust.
He is A bast*rd Son of Dog if you don’t like you don’t travel simple is that am sure you have many fathers not one how you feel I said about you.
How much India paid you for doing propoganda against pakistan
It should be banned immediately for the sake of life of innocents.
Blacklisting a major airlune of one of the most populous country is not a solution. The pilot licences were not issued by PIA and the pilots not only work for PIA but other private airlines in Pakistan as well as private aircrafts. They also work for foreign airlines. Government must be forced to remove such people and improve the system to ensure faith in the licences. Airlines must regularly trained, monitor and retest the pilots. Personally I have used PIA many times without any problem except for lack of working entertainment system on planes. I cannot believe 30% of pilots are unfit to fly but more plausible explanation is that they have kept their licences despite not flying enough hours.
Very sad news…thats all becouse of the past curupt prim ministers Nawaz And zardari.
We appreciate PM Imran khan…let clean PIA department…
New Delhi: Just a few days after Parminder Kaur Gulati, a suspended pilot of Indigo airline, was arrested on charges of faking her marksheet to get a pilot licence, another arrest on the same grounds has been made. This time around, Captain J K Verma, a pilot of the national carrier Air India has been arrested.
“We have arrested Verma. Investigations are on. We have been provided more names by the Directorate General Civil Aviation (DGCA). The scanner is on two more pilots – Meenakshi Sehgal of Indigo and Swaran Singh Talwar of MDLR,” a senior police official said.
It all began after Parminder Kaur Gulati was grounded two months ago for violating landing norms. The matter was then reported to the aviation watchdog, the DGCA. The airline watchdog admits there was a lapse, but says 4000 pilot licences are now under fresh scrutiny.
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/india-may-have-4000-fake-pilots-449891
Yes my dear I do agree that it is time for complete overhaul for PIA due to corruption issues , but your next demand or wish might be to black listed Pakistan via FATF but we need to blacklist those countries first who allowed black money to be deposited in their banks without any questions like Switzerland,Panama ,Dubai & many others still to be explored,these countries economy is living on whole world’s corruption black money,do you have the nuts to write on that matter,I do agree that fake degrees issue is a serious one & every pilot should be sacked but not the Airline, Please read history & don’t forget that British Hippocratic approach during 1857-1947 in history is the major root cause of corruption being developed purposely in people of indopak subcontinent which we are sowing even hundreds of years after & still you are interfering,why are you protecting Altaf Hussain who is a established money launderer in your country and not handing over it to Pakistan government,You people are protecting all the corrupted & black listed people of the world who are having shelter in your country,SHAME ON YOU & YOUR UNITED KINGDOOOM, you are the cause of this because you are protecting corrupt elite of Pakistan in your towns?
Dear All,
Although against the topic, but concerns the same, HUMAN LIFE, I would like to add the post of doctors appointed thru SIND health department. I swear if these doctors are retested regarding their MBBS qualification, majority almost 70% will be failed,( condition: test should not be taken by the Sind government).
Most of these doctors are relatives of Sindhi feudals settling and getting lucrative jobs in KARACHI. Shame on Bhuttos quota system and 18th amendment designers. Also Army not looking into matters of Karachi, except when distorted by Muhajirs. They keep eyes closed if any other group even fu-k Karachi.
It does not seem fair to ban the only airline with the countries flag. I would suggest that people who are not comfortable flying with PIA don’t buy the ticket get another airline.
The best thing I would suggest to allow more international airlines to fly from the international airports of Pakistan so we may have a healthy competition . This way our PIA will be more efficient and have a proper preventive maintenance of each aircraft . Our new Government of PTI should intervene to erradicate all inefficient and unmerited staff and machineries as the PTI has their own Ministers looking after the Airlines God Bless Pakistan and PIA.
caa and pia all are responsible for this negligence or human error.
No surprise AT ALL. This is the norm in Pakistan. Here you don’t get a job because you’re fit for it, you get it if you have connections. And it’s not like in the “developed” countries where this happens under the hood. Here it’s out in the open and sth to boast about. No processes that you need to go thru. Even the ones there are, are just for the sake of it
And banning airlines won’t do much. You see to change how people are recruited here you need to change what kind of people live here. It’s just a sick country. And IDK how people are actually defending PIA in this smh
Perhaps banning it altogether is more beneficial than running such a huge white elephant as it along with many others eats up a great chunk of eash every year. PIA alone erodes 40+ billion every year to oeep her pulse alive, bearly. Pakistan may save some money from banning it. Gone are the times of such foolish slogans as “national carrier” and “pride of nation” etc.
Hi Matthew, why this kind of vendetta? There are other problems but you turning a blind eye .be fair and responsabile before doing these so called debates.
It’s Time to stop reading your biased article you can’t judge the whole institute because of some bad eggs in it so much wrong happening in West you should focus on that
Yes it should definitely
We are 220 Million Pakistani and enough to fly whatsoever. If world don’t want to travel ok we don’t care. Fake forged or whatever but as per records we are least air craft crashes in the world so stay away.
Pakistan International Airline is one of the best Airline in the World.
PIA operation across the world and satisfying passengers.
Unluckily current Government is Bull Shit unable to justify proper.
I have traveled 4 times by PIA on World Most Dangerous Route Islamabad to Skardu and Enjoy.
So ignore stupid minister wording and believe on Allah and Trust on PIA
It is not entirely strange to read a comment from some @AjitKumar who seems an Indian. In his comment/reply he had shown how racist, bigoted, and low life he is. He even turned off the “Reply” button. But I would like to open his eyes a little
1. Are indian not corrupt at all?
2. As I’ve noticed, in Gulf Countries most of the blue collar crimes have been committed by indians.
3. Why Mr. Shitty of GMC group, UAE exchange have run away from UAE?
4. Who made money in Rafael Jets deal?
5. How many Hindu business tycoons have evaded india after looting the poor indians and escaped with the help of present fascist Hindutva government of BJP’s help?
6. Do you know something about Bofors scandal?
And there are many more to ask
But want to tell you that gaumoot have made you stupid. Islam doesn’t teach anything bad. Those who do bad things are your brothers in this world and hereafter if they don’t seek repentance from God Almighty
1. Start blog
2. Write a post about something that happens in Pakistan.
3. Be shocked by instant uptick in traffic.
4. Profit
This reaction was unexpected…
I believe nobody has asked you to travel on PIA nor would we want some self proclaimed travel expert to come to Pakistan. Maybe you should refrain yourself from commenting on things that fall under the jurisdiction of Civil Aviation Authorities of Pakistan. You don’t know which component of their license or refresher is in question and you would never know what any of it even means as you are not a pilot. Please don’t talk about such sensitive matters that are filled with politics and propaganda. Mind your business, sitting somewhere in a LA ghetto talking about Pakistan. Pathetic.
My dear Matthew, if you have PM or President like Nawaz Sharief & Zardari, then their would have been 100% fake pilot.
But on the other hand, your sweetheart Ai & iA of india has > then 50% pilots has fake license. Their air crashes are more then PIA. Then why not to banned them also….
I have seen this PIA big commercial plane accident after 30 years .PIA is Best Air Line in the World even worst Accidents happened to Air India,KLM ,PAN AMM Air France,
AIR CANADA And more
this is era of 5th generation Warfare ISPR Spokes person always talked about; another anti-Pakistan force’s paid content.
It is probably true to say that we have never seen a response to a story like this on this website, the abuse is beyond belief and is a poor reflection on the country and its inhabitants. For the record, the EU has issued a 6-month ban effectively immediately which will prevent PIA from overflying or landing at an EU airport. I understand there is no flight to the US at present and Canada is currently reviewing their rights to land as well
Dear Sir,
My name is Nabeel Ansari. I am an investigative news reporter representing Channel 11. My team and I are currently investigating a Boeing 777 Captain by the name of Khurram Mughal P-15753 who has been in the news sporadically since 2015.
His cases with PIA are concerned with my investigation. It is quite known in the news that PIA is going private and the various cases of air hostesses illegally entering Canada through PIA flights have proven strenuous for the reputation of the airline.
But the information I have investigated with my team consist of court documents which intends to disclose a bit more unsettling information with regards to how PIA handles their employees.
Captain Khurram Mughal P- 51753 currently flying Boeing 777 has openly admitted in the Karachi Civil Court of going through tremendous mental health issues as a result of cases he has to participate in. He is claiming to be in “physical and mental agony” (pgh. 13) and the recipient of “mental and physical torture” (pgh. 14) on a daily basis because of his involvement in various court cases through which he is suffering “serious depression and trauma” (pgh. 49). It is very threatening to the safety and security of PIAs’ chances of prosperity via privatization if they continue to employee such a dangerous character as Khurram Mughal as he can be depicted as a liability towards the well being of PIA as an organization and when it comes to the lack of protection of passengers put into his custody when flying.
Captain Khurram Mughal was accepted into PIA employment through nepotism and association in the 90s by his father Captain Mansoor Ahmed Mughal; but he is a very dangerous employee who has a very scandalous reputation within and along with outside the work circle of PIA and this information has even been published in various news outlets as well. The certified court documents confirm that “his mental agony has doubled up with time as the Plainfiff’s (i.e Khurram Mughal) family and his acquaintances have started raising serious questions on his character.” (pgh. 47). He is seen as a threat to his neighbourhood and his family members who claim him to be unstable with violent tendencies. He brings those same tendencies with him while operating a PIA aircraft which is highly alarming when it comes to the welfare of his passengers. Any trigger to Khurram Mughal can result into an emotional turmoil event on board which can cause cataclysmic events when it comes to flight safety protocols.
Khurram Mughal is currently a captain of Boeing 777 and holds a very high ranking in PIA. He was also one of the first pilots who brought COVID-19 to Pakistan from his flights to Canada. He did not follow and completely disregarded protocol of quarantine by fleeing his hotel in Quetta through which he had been taken into police custody and this incident has been reported by various news outlets (See attachment link https://x.com/AnasMallick/status/1249335695967166465 https://www.bolnews.com/latest/2020/04/pia-pilot-captain-tested-positive-for-coronavirus/ https://www.bolnews.com/tag/pia-captain-tested-positive/ ). It is open information that he was a threat to the health and safety to is co workers, fellow passengers and those around him through the vulnerable time of the spread of COVID-19. To a large extent there could be a direct co relation with the spread of COVID-19 in Pakistan due to PIAs’ negligent behaviour towards not being able to control a mentally unstable employee during such a tumultuous time as the lethal spread of the corona virus. It brings into question how accountability plays out when it comes to PIA giving Khurram Mughal; a mentally depressed and traumatized individual a position of leadership towards vulnerable passengers. Disregard for health and safety during COVID-19 can also be linked to general disregard for health and safety within other/different matters while a flight is being conducted.
There are certified court documents that verify this information that Khurram Mughal has openly disclosed in court of struggling with mental health. He has also been dangerous to PIA as an organization because he took part in the PIA 2015 strikes that halted Hajj flights causing massive financial loss to PIA and hindered the performance of Hajj for countless muslims. PIA conducted medical and mental health tests on the pilot and his poor mental health was confirmed through the PIA medical board (https://fp.brecorder.com/2015/10/201510071233399/ ). This incident is also widely reported in the news, hence the information presented is reliable. Khurram Mughal participated in the PALPA (Pakistan Airlines Pilots Association) strike in 2015. He was grounded by PIA because of his participation in the strikes and was forced to be physically and mentally assessed by the Civil Aviation Medical Board. When the Civil Aviation Medical Board conducted a medical and psychological examination to assess his professional capacity towards being a functional pilot which therefore, lead to captain Khurram Mughal openly stating that he has “suffered irreparable loss of reputation along with massive, financial, professional and emotional damages” (pgh.41). It was through this medical examination where the it was inferred that he is not mentally competent because of the various environmentally stressful incidents he invests himself in during his personal life and within tumultuous moments PIA faces as an organization thus resulting into feelings of depression. There are news articles that confirms psychological testing having taken place on the pilot. There are also certified court copies continuously reinstating the statement where the he has admitted to be suffering from mental health issues such as trauma and depression. PIA is more than aware of Captain Khurram Mughals declining mental health as they themselves had grounded him in 2015 following his participation in the strikes against the very organization that employees him and provides him with various benefits such as free health care and payment allowances in American dollars. PIA has conducted and confirmed various medical and psychological test on him which confirm depression and trauma. Khurram Mughal has blatantly stated in the court of being in mental anguish yet it begs the question as to why his employment has never been terminated? Could the reason be political connections, workplace harassment or bullying etc?
It is very important to be in a healthy frame of mind when flying a complex aircraft such as the Boeing 777, “that it is public knowledge that pilots have to stay physically and emotionally fit to preform flying duties. As such, being accused in malicious prosecution and having to attend hearings, the Plaintiff (i.e Khurram Mughal) has suffered serious depression and trauma” (pgh. 49) and because of Khurram Mughals’ openly declared mental health issues there is a threat to the lives of his passengers as they put into his hands for travel by PIA who are knowledgeable of the fact that he is not in the correct frame of mind. PIA passengers are put into harms way as Khurram Mughal has openly claimed to being “unable to effectively preform his flying duties” (pgh. 49) and can result in the repetition of the atrocity of those who were unfortunate enough to be on board PK 8303 where the incompetence of the captain led to the death of 91 passengers and a devastating plane crash in 2020.
There is a reflective and problematic pattern and systemic issue with regards to Khurram Mughal who is openly declared as a mentally unstable employee of PIA. The thesis of this investigation would be PIAs’ negligence. The airline has had documented proof of an unstable employee who is open about suffering mental health issues but is still in-charge of flying. PIA is still negligent and quite frankly not doing anything about it. Unstable behaviour from a Boeing 777 captain is dangerous for travelling passengers.
We are hoping to receive comment from PIA before we publish our article. Attached to this email are court documents.
Thank you,
Nabeel Ansari.