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Home  >  Pakistan Airlines • Trip Reports  >  Review: Pakistan Airlines 777 Business Class Manchester To New York
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Review: Pakistan Airlines 777 Business Class Manchester To New York

Matthew Klint Posted onAugust 12, 2017August 12, 2017 23 Comments

Never has a business class flight been as simultaneously annoying and charming as this one. While there was undeniable appeal to the warm service and authentic food onboard, the Pakistan Airlines 777-200 is simply not a competitive business class product.

After a long morning in Manchester, we assembled at the gate to board. Many passengers were in transit from Islamabad, but all were required to exit the aircraft in Manchester and be re-screened before the onward connection. It appeared that the flight was composed almost exclusively of Pakistanis or those of Pakistani descent and there were very few passengers originating in MAN.

Interestingly, even though I received SSSS I did not endure any additional screening…

Pakistan 721
Manchester (MAN) – New York (JFK)
Tuesday, August 3
Depart: 12:45PM
Arrive: 2:55PM
Duration: 7hr10min
Aircraft: Boeing 777-200
Seat: 3L (Business Class)

Pakistan Airlines 777 Business Class Seats

Stepping on the aircraft, we turned right and found a dated business class product in a 2-3-2 configuration (5 rows, totaling 35 seats). While comfortable enough for a daytime flight, the seats were quite out of date. Even so, these seats brought back happy memories of the old p.s. first class on United Airlines. These style of seats were also used in Singapore Airlines’ old “Raffles” class.

At this point, a male FA yelled at us to stop taking pictures. Thankfully, he disappeared and the female FAs working business class did not have a problem with us taking additional pictures.

Ben had wisely called Pakistan weeks in advance to assign seats, sparing us the specter of winding up in a middle seat in business class.

The seat contained storage for shoes, a literature pocket, and a small screen. Between our seats was an additional reading light, headphone jack, and universal power outlet. My outlet worked, but Ben’s was broken.

Kiran, the lovely FA who worked our side of the cabin, welcomed us onboard and presented us with a new pillow and blanket after noting we were not transit passengers. It appears that transit passengers from Islamabad did not receive a fresh pillow or blanket. But my new blanket was hardly fresh: it had a long black hair on it…

Fast-forward to the middle of the flight. Understandably (after flying from Casablanca to Doha to Colombo to Jeddah to Manchester) I was quite tired and despite the downward-sloping seats, I was able to sleep well for four hours.

So in the end the seat is uncompetitive yet ironically provided me a much-needed cocoon to nap.

However, when I woke up my seat would not return to upright mode. No matter how many times I pressed the button, it did not respond. I had to climb out of my seat and allow the FAs to manually return the seat to its full upright mode.

Pakistan Airlines 777 Business Class IFE

After takeoff, the lead flight attendant made an announcement apologizing that many of the IFE systems were broken and promising that PIA was working on updating them. Apologies like that go a long way in managing expectations.

My IFE system worked just fine, though the older system was incredibly slow and the resolution poor. The selection of movies was weak as well, though there were at least a dozen English movies available.

Headphones were provided that must have been identical to economy class. They were terrible.

Pakistan Airlines 777 Business Class Service

Service was great on this flight, and all credit goes to Kiran. She set the tone from our first interaction, when she took my coat and asked, “are there any valuables in your coat?” When I said yes (my passport was in my pocket), she responded with “Well don’t worry, your coat is valuable to me.” I really thought that statement encapsulated her approach to service on this flight.

She seemed to take extra special care of us – perhaps because we stood out in a cabin of Pakistanis. By that I mean she seemed excited to explain what each dish was beamed when we expressed our (honest) satisfaction with the lunch service.’

No amenity kit was offered nor were any amenities available in a basket or inside the lavatory. Looking around the cabin, I also don’t think we simply missed out on them because we did not originate in Pakistan.

Pakistan Airlines 777 Business Class Meals

Prior to takeoff a choice of water, mango, or apple juice was offered in a Pakistan-labeled glass cup.

FAs did not drag out service on this relatively short 7hr transatlantic flight, which was appreciated. Our tray tables were prepared for lunch about 30 minutes after takeoff. No menus were distributed.

PIA has nifty salt and pepper shakers that I was tempted to make a souvenir of the flight. That’s probably why only one of Ben’s S&P shakers had the PIA logo and neither of mine did.

Although just following Pakistani law, PIA uses plastic cutlery in business class. While PIA may be forced to use plastic over “real” cutlery, the government does not force them to use such cheap and flimsy cutlery. It made eating quite a challenge.

A choice of three salads was offered (fresh, Greek, or waldorf) and we both chose fresh. The salad was placed on our tray tables wrapped in plastic and no salad dressing was offered. Bread was also offered and I chose garlic bread and a wrapped wheat roll. The garlic bread was unfortunately cold.

Next up, FAs appeared with canned soft drinks, offering them to passengers without a straw or glass. Pakistan is a dry airline, so there were no alcoholic beverages of any kind offered.

The main course, like the rest of the meal service, rolled out on a cart and featured a wonderful buffet of Pakistani food. Though not as professional as plating everything on a fancy dish, I appreciated that I could choose what I wanted to eat and try a little bit of everything.

I honestly enjoyed the main course so much: the food was delicious and seemed so fitting while flying on Pakistan Airlines. So often it confuses me why many carriers do not offer dishes from their home country.

But though the main course was great, the highlight of the meal was the pistachio desert called kheer. Wow was this good! Honestly I could have eaten several bowls of this and have looked for recipes online since this flight.

Two final courses: a pre-plated cheese course and a choice of fresh fruit off a trolley. The cheese and crackers were truly the sort you are likely to encounter in economy class on most airlines, but it was better than nothing. I appreciated that fresh strawberries were available.

Ben ordered coffee—which was a disgusting powdered variety—while I had a cup of tea.

About 1hr25min prior to landing, a light snack was served. The only word I can think of to describe it is “disgusting”. It included a chicken sandwich and cheesecake.

The bread was stale, chicken of horrible quality, pineapple tasteless, and it also included a maschiano cherry. One bite was enough.

The cheesecake was not as bad, but was not fresh and I also skipped it (wishing I could have more kheer…).

The second meal service was incredibly disappointing.

Pakistan Airlines 777 Business Class Lavatory

Although the lavatory had no unique features or amenities and was showing wear and tear, it was clean.

CONCLUSION

I cannot in good conscience recommend Pakistan Airlines business class based upon my experience. But three things give me hope. First, Kiran’s genuinely warm service makes it difficult for me to label this a “bad” flight despite the inferior seat, IFE, and amenities. Second, I really appreciated the Pakistani buffet and delicious kheer dessert—it was a unique airline meal even if the rest of the meal service was objectively bad.

Third, Pakistan has leased an ex-Sri Lankan Airlines A330 with reverse herringbone seats that it is running on its flagship Islamabad to London route. Crew has new uniforms and both the quantity and quality of meals has been updated. Should this translate to the New York route as well, I’d be much more likely to give PIA another try.

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Matthew Klint

Matthew is an avid traveler who calls Los Angeles home. Each year he travels more than 200,000 miles by air and has visited more than 135 countries. Working both in the aviation industry and as a travel consultant, Matthew has been featured in major media outlets around the world and uses his Live and Let's Fly blog to share the latest news in the airline industry, commentary on frequent flyer programs, and detailed reports of his worldwide travel.

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23 Comments

  1. JoeMart Reply
    August 12, 2017 at 5:54 pm

    So Kiran told the crew member that reprimanded you for taking pics to take a chill pill and stay quiet or no kheer for him.

  2. Chuck Reply
    August 12, 2017 at 8:39 pm

    United must have bought this PIA 777 and used it on our IAH to HNL flight in Feb 2017. My 1st class seat didn’t recline automatically and I had to yank out the footrest with my feet. And the 1st aircraft broke down before leaving IAH, and the original nonstop became a 1 stop, change to a 2nd “ex-PIA” 777 in SFO. At least the food was excellent, and UA served alcohol

  3. Jonathan Reply
    August 12, 2017 at 9:00 pm

    The A330 was returned to SriLankan after a 6 month period due to financial losses. They are using their 777 again on the route to London. The delivery of 5 new 777-300er were also indefinitely postponed.

    • Matthew Reply
      August 12, 2017 at 11:02 pm

      That’s bad news…

      • Sameer Reply
        August 27, 2017 at 6:32 pm

        Well now PIA is using a new 777 from Air austral with improved services on London to Islamabad route

  4. Jonathan Reply
    August 12, 2017 at 9:01 pm

    *was

  5. Margaret Gray Reply
    August 12, 2017 at 10:02 pm

    As part of the training at PIA, fat Americans with spare tires may request more kheer: therefore in this instance Ben could, but not you.

  6. YYZFlyer Reply
    August 12, 2017 at 10:25 pm

    Do U.S. regulations require PIA to stop in Manchester to get additional security screening before arriving at JFK? Or does PIA stop in Manchester because they don’t think the flight would be full enough if it just flew to JFK? I would assume the former given that PIA flies non-stop from YYZ to Islamabad, Karachi and Lahore, so must have a good amount of passengers to North America to fill a 777.

    • Matthew Reply
      August 12, 2017 at 11:02 pm

      Flight only stops in westbound direction in MAN — have heard rumors that this is due to security concerns, but cannot confirm.

    • AN Reply
      August 14, 2017 at 1:48 am

      yes it is a US regulation that PIA cannot fly non stop to the US (despite selling PIA 777s with the intent on doing this non stop) and most stop over for security enroute.

  7. Billiken Reply
    August 12, 2017 at 11:57 pm

    Any goats slaughtered pre-flight?

  8. Imran Reply
    August 14, 2017 at 3:12 am

    Beautiful to read your review Matthew,especially today as it’s Pakistan’s Independence Day !
    Thanks for such attention to detail and for promoting PIA.
    I hope you will also post this review on flight-report.com which is fast becoming for airlines what tripadvisor is for hotels 🙂

  9. Asif Reply
    August 14, 2017 at 4:30 am

    Matthew plz try to travel in economy class and share experience too.thanks

    • Matthew Reply
      August 14, 2017 at 5:29 am

      I fly in economy class quite a bit, but feel there is not much to say…meal was served, seat reclined XXº, crew smiled, watched IFE, the end. At least business class varies and is a bit more interesting on some carriers, like PIA.

    • Pierre Reply
      August 17, 2017 at 5:22 pm

      Matthew,

      Economy on PIA… DON’T!

      I regularly used this flight between JFK and Paris for years a long time ago during the 1980’s, when PIA flew B 707s and when the intermediate stops between JFK and Karachi were Paris and Frankfurt. I did it not ouf of taste but because their unrestricted First Class was offered way below the other airlines’ unrestricted Economy. It is during this period that the airline went dry and the menus remained for several months with the same drinks list but each wine and spirit crossed out.

      Your photo of the main meal service on the cart reminds me of asking the FA what it was and being replied something which sounded like “Lah Diahlee di Cheff'”, which in French sounded awfully like “The Chef’s Diarrhea”… and it looked the part. To this day, I still do not know what it tasted like as all I ever ate on this flight was potatoes and rice.

      As to the dessert, thank you again for the photo. It has not changed in 30 years and… Yes, it was delicious.

      • Pierre Reply
        August 17, 2017 at 5:26 pm

        Of course, there was no Business Class at the time, just as I am not sure that they still have First now.

  10. Imran Reply
    August 14, 2017 at 5:41 am

    This product serves corrupt ruling class of Pakistani elite for free travel, specially first and business class. Most of them have not paid the fare themselves. Crew is hired without merit at all levels. Leased PIA planes are used for snuggling, human trafficking and all kind of known and unkonwn hanky panky business. Some of the crew is involved in this and rest have poor or no training at all and unprofessionalism is common in this airline. Making money is not a goal of this airline, as long as elite class rides it for free on expense of government and looted money from poor. Comparing this airline to any reasonably managed airline is a joke. Please spare us from these kind of reviews in future.

  11. Ammad Reply
    August 14, 2017 at 2:58 pm

    Looks like you copy your report and many pictures from “Lucky’s” trip report. what a shame: http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/2016/08/14/pakistan-airlines-business-class-777-review/

    • Kyle Stewart Reply
      August 15, 2017 at 11:50 am

      Matthew is traveling with Lucky right now on the same trip.

  12. ali Reply
    August 15, 2017 at 5:02 am

    Matthew why do you keep calling the airline Pakistan? it has an acronym PIA for a reason, would you call KLM as Dutch in your review repeatedly? Dutch 777, Dutch does not have a nice something, Dutch business product isn’t recomended, sounds silly no?

    • Matthew Reply
      August 15, 2017 at 10:13 am

      I call it PIA several times, but it is clear what I am referring to when I state Pakistan in the context of this flight review.

  13. Haris Malik Reply
    August 27, 2017 at 3:31 pm

    well next time if you have to fly with PIA chose the newest AP-BMS , ex F-OSYD air austral , its Business class is much better , and also Pakistan government has agreed for replacement of seats and stuff for 5 PIA Boeing 777’s . I am sorry for some of your unpleasant experience .

  14. Rizwan Gillany Reply
    November 29, 2018 at 12:23 am

    Very true depiction of the airline. Very truthful review. The good times are on for PIA with new leadership in place.

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