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Reader Question: Where to Transfer 224K AMEX Points?

Matthew Klint Posted onJuly 29, 2017November 14, 2023 13 Comments

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Reader Sam e-mailed me for advice on what to do with 224K American Express Membership Rewards points.

I have decided to cancel my American Express Platinum Card as $550 is too steep for me.  The only thing I liked about the card was the Priority Pass (which I have never used) since we have Priority Pass with my wife’s Chase Sapphire Reserve card.

That said, where do you think I should transfer my 224,000 miles?  Looks like I can transfer to Aeroplan, Air France, KLM, Delta, or Virgin Atlantic?  Depending on our health, we are thinking about going to Scotland/Ireland in December in business class.

I’m sure Sam is not the only person who will be cancelling his American Express Platinum card due to the $100 increase in the the annual fee. I outline here why I will be keeping mine.

Two pieces of information in his question inform my answer — 1.) his aversion to the high annual fee and 2.) his desire to travel to Scotland/Ireland.

Option One – British Airways

British Airways is running a tremendous 40% transfer bonus at the moment and British Airways offers easy access to both Scotland and Ireland via its London Heathrow hub. Splurge for the A380 in first class and you have an exceptional product as well.

But I don’t recommend an Executive Club transfer. Taxes/fees will total over $1100 for a round-trip to the UK (~$200 less if returning from Ireland). If the $550 annual fee is a problem, the out-of-pocket expenses to fly British Airways don’t make sense.

There is the possibility of using the British Airways points to book AerLingus on a non-stop flight between Washington Dulles and Dublin, but two things worry me. First, with the trip up in the air I don’t like make any prospective transfers to British Airways Executive Club. Second, with AerLingus joining IAG it is only a matter of time (I suspect) before fuel surcharges appear.

Thus, I don’t recommend British Airways unless you are ready to book now and AerLingus has space.

Option Two – Air France/KLM

Air France/KLM is a great source of business class award space, particularly from Washington Dulles. That said, taxes/fees will total about $750 on the round-trip ticket and a connection in Paris or Amsterdam will be required to get to Scotland or Ireland.

While Air France/KLM Flying Blue is not a terrible option, there are better ones if the destination is the United Kingdom and Ireland.

Option Three – ANA

ANA is a member of Star Alliance and charges only 88K r/t for business class to Europe, the best value of the bunch. The problem? Fuel surcharges + round-trip only bookings. Furthermore, miles expire 36 months after transferring, regardless of account activity. Like British Airways, I don’t like transferring miles to ANA without award space already found.

My own travel patterns tend to involve last-minute ticket purchases on a one-way basis. That simply isn’t possible with ANA. Say you go to Europe for two weeks: the best space often opens just a few days prior to departure. It would mean you’d have to book a poor inbound routing (if you could find one) then wait to pay (3,000 miles per ticket) and change it. That’s a hassle.

Option Four – Singapore

Singapore Airlines flies from New York JFK to Frankfurt on an A380, offering an excellent experience in business and first class. But getting from Washington to New York JFK is a hassle as is getting from Frankfurt to Ireland or Scotland.

Sinapore also has access to the same Star Alliance space that ANA has, but ANA charges 88K and Singapore charges 130K miles for the same thing.

Option Five – Delta

Delta does not operate international flights out of any of the Washington DC airports, but its partner Virgin Atlantic operates nonstop flights from Dulles to Heathrow. At 85K miles + $5.60 one-way, the price is not horrible for an “Upper Class” seat, but both British Airways and United offer non-stop service with seating that is much better for couples who wish to converse during the flight.

Since Delta has shown a penchant to devalue without notice, I would stay clear of Delta unless there is a specific flight you wish to book with availability.

Option Six – Virgin Atlantic

While Delta changes 85K+ miles for a one-way between London and Washington, Virgin Atlantic charges only 47,500 miles. But look at the fee below. Instead of $5.60 it is $501. So you have to do the math yourself – is 37,500 points worth ~$500? I value most points at 1.5 cents each, so 37.5K comes to $562. That makes Virgin a slightly better deal, but not by much if you are looking to avoid out-of-pocket expenses.

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Option Seven – Aeroplan

Last and certainly not least is Aeroplan. Aeroplan charges 55K miles each way to Western Europe for business class and 70K for first class. There are no fuel surcharges on United, Brussels, SAS, SWISS, and Turkish flights.

Aeroplan tickets have no close-in booking fees and the ease of booking online makes it possible to transfer and book in mere minutes. Furthermore, Aeroplan allows two stopovers or one stopover plus one-open jaw. While intra-Europe flights tend to be cheap, it is nice to secure those in business class and have everything on a single ticket.

My pick – None of the Above

Aeroplan is the program I feel most comfortable transferring in points to without a specific booking in mind. With so many Star Alliance choices to Europe and great last-minute availably, something is sure to open.

For Sam’s trip, with a little flexibility he can find United space directly to London or Dublin or connecting space on Brussels, SAS, or Turkish from Washington Dulles to the UK or Ireland. His 224K points will cover two round-trip business class tickets.

With reasonable prices and little money out of pocket, Aeroplan is your best option for Europe when you aren’t sure if/when you can travel and need to transfer your AMEX points immediately.

But I would not transfer the points at all — you never know which airline or loyalty program will make the most sense when it finally comes time to book. By signing up for the American Express EveryDay or Blue Business Plus card, the points can sit safely in Membership Rewards, providing much more flexibility. Neither card has an annual fee.


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Matthew is an avid traveler who calls Los Angeles home. Each year he travels more than 200,000 miles by air and has visited more than 135 countries. Working both in the aviation industry and as a travel consultant, Matthew has been featured in major media outlets around the world and uses his Live and Let's Fly blog to share the latest news in the airline industry, commentary on frequent flyer programs, and detailed reports of his worldwide travel.

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13 Comments

  1. Lack Reply
    July 29, 2017 at 2:23 pm

    I concur, Aeroplan has the least amount of negatives about it and be the safest bet short to mid term (I don’t think they’ll make any sudden changes now given the AC breakup).

  2. Craig Reply
    July 29, 2017 at 2:28 pm

    Or none of the above and get an annual fee-free Amex card that earns MR points and delay moving until you have a use in mind.

    • Al Reply
      July 29, 2017 at 11:15 pm

      I agree. Open a no fee card so you can keep your points

  3. Jeremiah Reply
    July 29, 2017 at 2:38 pm

    If I had to transfer, I’d also do Aeroplan.

    But the obvious answer is not to transfer: Sam should obviously get either an Amex Everyday (ideally with the 25k bonus) or Blue Business Plus. No annual fee and the points stay alive.

    • Matthew Reply
      July 29, 2017 at 3:01 pm

      I did add that to my post — if he is willing to sign up for another card, that certainly makes the most sense. If not, Aeroplan.

      • Jeremiah Reply
        July 29, 2017 at 3:18 pm

        I see the addition! Aeroplan is my favorite MR transfer partner, almost exclusively because of TK J redemptions, but I make it a rule never to transfer points prospectively unless I don’t have another choice. Or unless there is a particularly good transfer bonus and I know I’ll be able to use the points within a few months.

        The BBP is a pretty good option because it won’t show up on an individual’s credit report, and like many Amex cards these days there is a decent chance of approval without a hard pull.

        Been enjoying your blog since finding it a few months ago!

  4. MeanMeosh Reply
    July 29, 2017 at 2:38 pm

    Thanks for the thorough and helpful analysis. Doesn’t FB still have the added issue of unilaterally canceling MR transfers for “fraud” as well?

    • Matthew Reply
      July 29, 2017 at 2:46 pm

      They certainly do. This is a huge problem.

  5. Jo Reply
    July 29, 2017 at 5:41 pm

    I really like Flying Blue/Air France. Also there are promo awards, but Ireland might not be the best for them. Promo awards have sucked for a long time though. Go with whoever has the lowest fees. These can vary a lot. That’s a decent stockpile. I used up all my points and then decided to keep the card. The perks will pay for the card.

  6. Fawwaz Alkayyali Reply
    July 29, 2017 at 10:27 pm

    Regarding the $550 annual fees this is partially offset by the $200 miscellaneous flying expenses and the Uber reimbursement that may add up to $ 200 .
    In addition to access to lounges when you fly economy domestic flights .
    For people who fly 3-4 times overseas annually like me .I think annual fee of $500 is not too much.

  7. cj Reply
    July 29, 2017 at 11:18 pm

    matthew can you do a similar post on 270,000 citi prestige points – i still have prestige but canceled the thank you premier 10 days ago

    59,000 are from premier and the rest from prestige but i think im done earning citi points so thinking of transferring to singapore

  8. Greg Reply
    July 30, 2017 at 1:04 am

    I love Ireland and cannot wait to return, but there are so many cheap trips available through online sites like Travelzoo and Groupon. Just checked and there are plenty of options for 6-8 nights for roughly $1k per person and that includes flight, hotels and rental car. In my opinion, it is hard to justify liquidating 224k points to cover a 7 hour flight (round trip) to sit in a somewhat average business class (except for perhaps Turkish) when it could cover a full vacation. I recognize that it is almost absurd to suggest just converting the points for cash (and my suggestion echos those above to get the Everyday), but Ireland is one of the few exceptions what cash goes a long way based on all the available deals.

  9. Flyer Fun Reply
    July 30, 2017 at 1:43 pm

    Don’t miles expire in three years in Singapore Air?

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