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As American Retreats, Will Delta Or United Step Up At LAX?

Matthew Klint Posted onJuly 2, 2020November 14, 2023 25 Comments
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American Airlines announced it is drastically scaling back its international presence in Los Angeles, slashing the majority of its longhaul flights. Will Delta and United step in to fill the void or is LAX simply too difficult a hub?

In This Post:

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  • AA Announces Major International Reduction At LAX
  • Why Carriers Struggle At LAX
    • U.S Legacy Partner Carriers Serving LAX
  • Is This A Golden Opportunity For Delta Or United?
  • CONCLUSION

AA Announces Major International Reduction At LAX

American Airlines will end longhaul service from Los Angeles to:

  • Beijing
  • Buenos Aires
  • Hong Kong
  • Sao Paulo
  • Shanghai

That will leave:

  • Auckland
  • London
  • Sydney
  • Tokyo

American called its cancelled longhaul routes “underperforming” and will concentrate its transpacific traffic at Dallas-Fort Worth, though it will add Seattle – Shanghai service from its new Seattle focus city.

AA’s story is a familiar one. LAX does not have a dominant carrier and airlines have struggled to find profit in Los Angeles over the years.

Why Carriers Struggle At LAX

Delta tried London Heathrow service and failed. United tried Frankfurt, Hong Kong, and Singapore service and failed. Los Angeles, more than any other airport in the USA, has a high concentration of origin-destination (local, not-connecting) traffic. So what is the problem?

On the negative side, high competition from U.S. and foreign carriers drives fares downs and limits profitability. It is no longer a surprise to see transpacific economy fares under $600 or transatlantic fares under $400. While those may not be sustainable longterm, we’ve seen them long enough that they are more than just a blip. The pandemic may change that, especially if air travel to China remains restricted and Norwegian permanently scales back longhaul service.

On the positive side, one reason why U.S. legacy carriers have avoided such a huge build up at LAX is because their partners already have it covered. Even as alliances continue to lose their relevance, these partnerships remain and even stronger joint venture partnerships mean revenue sharing, making which carrier actually operates the flights less important.

U.S Legacy Partner Carriers Serving LAX

American Airlines has partners offering nonstop longhaul service at LAX including:

  • Air Tahiti Nui
  • British Airways
  • Cathay Pacfiic
  • China Southern
  • Etihad
  • Fiji Airways
  • Finnair
  • Iberia
  • Japan Airlines
  • Qantas
  • Qatar Airways

Delta Air Lines has longhaul partners serving LAX including:

  • Aeroflot
  • Air France
  • Alitalia
  • China Eastern
  • KLM
  • Korean Air
  • Saudia
  • Virgin Atlantic
  • Virgin Australia
  • XiamenAir

United Airlines has longhaul partners serving LAX including:

  • Aer Lingus
  • Air China
  • Air New Zealand
  • ANA
  • Asiana
  • Austrian
  • Avianca
  • EVA Air
  • LOT Polish
  • Lufthansa
  • SAS
  • Singapore Airlines
  • SWISS
  • Turkish Airlines

That’s quite a conglomerate of partners for all three carriers.

Is This A Golden Opportunity For Delta Or United?

I asked Patrick Quayle, United’s Vice President for International Network and Alliances, about how United would respond to AA’s latest departure at LAX. He told me:

“As airlines continue to move through the current environment and make changes and adjustments to their network offerings, there may be opportunities for United. We remain committed to serving the Los Angeles market and we will continue to closely monitor demand and adjust our schedules as demand dictates.”

That’s hopeful in one sense. United at least leaves open the opportunity for more service. On the other hand, Quayle did not even affirm United’s hub status at LAX, setting only that it would contain to serve the LA market. United CEO Scott Kirby has said “there are no sacred cows” when it comes to preserving all existing United hubs.

Delta did not respond to Live and Let’s Fly prior to publication, but likely would have given the same non-answer answer.

From my own viewpoint, as much as it seems like a golden opportunity to bulk up international service, it has been tried before and usually fails. With partners increasingly able to offer passengers nonstop service to major cities around the world, adding additional flights makes less sense than other hubs like Minneapolis or Denver where passengers are hub captive.

CONCLUSION

As an Angeleno, I’d love to see more longhaul nonstop service from legacy airlines. But I don’t expect it. LAX is too competitive and most gap are already filled by partners.

Do you think United or Delta will counter American’s retreat with more flights at LAX?


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25 Comments

  1. Marissa Reply
    July 2, 2020 at 1:55 pm

    Scared cows? Sorry, had to laugh at this misquote.

    • LS Reply
      July 2, 2020 at 8:27 pm

      sa·cred cow
      /ˈsākrid ˌkou/
      noun
      plural noun: sacred cows
      an idea, custom, or institution held, especially unreasonably, to be above criticism (with reference to the Hindus’ respect for the cow as a sacred animal).
      “the sacred cow of monetarism”
      Definitions from Oxford Languages

      • Christian Reply
        July 2, 2020 at 9:59 pm

        It initially said scared cows. A typo but a funny one.

    • Christian Reply
      July 2, 2020 at 9:50 pm

      +1. If intentional, this was awesome.

  2. UA-NYC Reply
    July 2, 2020 at 2:53 pm

    The answer is fairly obvious – it would be Delta.

    United uses SFO as its main TPAC gateway, and isn’t going to be expanding anytime soon at LAX.

    Much like DL has built up in NYC (mainly at the expense of AA), they will continue to do so now at LAX.

    • henry LAX Reply
      July 2, 2020 at 3:19 pm

      how’s the pandemic treating ya ? splendid i’m sure.

      • UA-NYC Reply
        July 2, 2020 at 4:56 pm

        I assumed United laid off all minimally paid so-called “influencers” who heap praise on the airline for $.02/word…maybe you are working for half price?

        • LS Reply
          July 2, 2020 at 8:39 pm

          It appears that DL still has someone on THEIR payroll.

          • UA-NYC
            July 3, 2020 at 10:18 am

            LOL not at all…I’m a UA 1KMM…take off rose colored classes and you will see DL is just a better airline than UA.

            The ONLY thing UA had going for it vs. DL was MileagePlus…and they’ve now decimated that too.

    • Frank Reply
      July 2, 2020 at 3:19 pm

      Delta might take a shot at LAX Shanghai to connect with China Eastern for O&D but the rest don’t have much appeal. The fact is LAX is poorly located for a hub. It is too far south (and east) for connecting flights. For northern hemisphere flights, the farther north you locate your hub, the less out of the way it is to connect and the cheaper the flights are to operate.

    • LS Reply
      July 2, 2020 at 8:31 pm

      UA has in the past served a number of the routes AA is abandoning.

      It could happen.

  3. mike murphy Reply
    July 2, 2020 at 3:18 pm

    Looks like AA192 HKG-LAX will be running in Oct.

  4. henry LAX Reply
    July 2, 2020 at 3:18 pm

    “United CEO Scott Kirby has said “there are no scared cows” when it comes to preserving all existing United hubs.”

    yea right. he would send his first-born to live in wuhan before he’ll dehub SFO. If there’s one single hub they must defend till the very end, it’ll be SFO.

    Push comes to shove, EWR would be sacrificed to save SFO.

    Which is thoroughly ironic that the airline of Chicago doesn’t have ORD in the Top 2 in terms of sacred crows.

  5. Nate nate Reply
    July 2, 2020 at 6:17 pm

    Do you get to pick where the ads show up in the middle of the article? Just curious if you get to pick where the breaks appear or not?

    On my phone browser, the ad appeared right after a semicolon, before the list of airline partners. Was an odd place to break the text, so I assume you don’t have control over it.

    • Matthew Klint Reply
      July 2, 2020 at 6:18 pm

      Odd. I do not get to pick and have no control. Sorry about that!

      • Nate nate Reply
        July 3, 2020 at 1:42 am

        No reason to apologize and hope my comment wasn’t rude. Didn’t mean it to be.

  6. AAnonymous Reply
    July 2, 2020 at 9:25 pm

    @mike murphy- I believe AA said the changes to the international schedule will be reflected on July 5, so LAX-HKG should be gone from SABRE and online booking tools.

  7. ITFlyerGirl Reply
    July 2, 2020 at 10:39 pm

    LAX is simply too expensive. AA needs to invest more at ONT.

    • Nate nate Reply
      July 3, 2020 at 1:44 am

      ONT has plenty of capacity but little demand. The lack of partner international traffic may be part of that. Too bad there isn’t high speed service from DTLA to ONT via the yellow line.

  8. Willem Reply
    July 3, 2020 at 12:35 am

    If it weren’t for COVID, I think Delta would pounce to lose some Seattle service and beef up LAX. Maybe years after the pandemic they will

  9. Anthony Reply
    July 3, 2020 at 6:54 am

    If Delta were brave, maybe they could try to relaunch HKG service from LAX or launch SIN service. It remains a big gap in their offering. Sure, you fly Korean, but a Delta metal option would be great

    • Klavs Reply
      July 4, 2020 at 7:38 am

      Also with the question surrounding Virgin Australia aka them flying long haul. Delta most likely will be in a position of having to improve there LAX presence just to keep the number constant. So it isn’t too far of a stretch for to expand to some more TPAC routes.

  10. ed lewis Reply
    July 3, 2020 at 8:09 am

    Delta. United busy with other fishes.

  11. Jim Reply
    July 3, 2020 at 12:46 pm

    My prediction is that the AA-AS partnership will force DL to retreat at SEA, and they need a West Coast hub, so they will build up LAX. UA already has a dominant West Coast hub at SFO, and has previously built up LAX with significant international operation only to downsize it, so they’re likely not going to repeat this again.

    • Michael Reply
      May 27, 2022 at 8:11 pm

      I don’t think they’d abandon Seattle. They’ve invested too much and have been aggressive in responding to AA-AS. Doing the same in Boston, in response to the NEA. Adding a lot of destinations and using new aircraft on key routes.

      LAX has always presented so many challenges in creating a hub.

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