A Boston-based United Airlines flight attendant has filed a lawsuit seeking back pay and damages after she was sidelined without pay during the pandemic for refusing the COVID-19 vaccine. Her lawsuit claims United offered no meaningful religious accommodation for her sincerely-held beliefs concerning the vaccine.
Lawsuit Claims United Airlines Improperly Sidelined Flight Attendant For Refusing COVID-19 Vaccine
Sheyenne Myers has been a United Airlines flight attendant since 2018. She lives in Alabama, but is Boston-based. During the pandemic, United Airlines required that all employees be vaccinated. Medical and religious exemptions were offered, but those granted exemptions were placed on unpaid leave. United has since lifted the mandate for existing employees, but all new employees must be vaccinated.
Myers believed that the vaccine would disqualify her from a future paradise in Heaven. Her lawsuit explains:
“Ms. Myers sincerely believes that her body is not to be altered in any way other than through means by which God created or through scientifically proven, safe, and effective manmade and necessary medical intervention. To consume or knowingly inject anything else into her body would constitute a sin and prevent her ability from one day, going to Heaven and sharing that Place with God.”
United did grant her religious exemption, but she asserts that such accommodation was anything but accommodating:
“On or about September 9, 2021, United purportedly ‘granted’ Ms. Myers’ request for a religious accommodation request; however, United did no such thing. The claim that United ‘granted’ her request is nothing more than illusory.
“Specifically, to ‘reasonably accommodate’ Ms. Myers sincerely held religious beliefs, United placed her on leave without pay for an indefinite term that ultimately left her without income for more than six (6) months.”
The lawsuit claims that United could have easily granted accommodation and such an act would not have constituted an undue hardship (the legal test for whether an employer must grant accommodation):
“At all times relevant, Ms. Myers complied with all COVID-19 mitigation protocols United implemented, including inter alia wearing masks, socially distancing, and testing for COVID-19 on a weekly basis (collectively, ‘mitigation protocols’), and Ms. Myers remained amenable to continuing to adhere to such protocols in lieu of receiving any of the available COVID-19 vaccines; none of which she could receive due to her sincerely held religious beliefs.”
Myers is claiming lost compensation and benefits, compensatory damages, and attorney fees.
Although an Alabama resident, Myers is suing in Boston because she is domiciled there and because her lawsuit invokes the Massachusetts Civil Rights Act (MCRA), which offers broad protection for religious conscience. You can read the Complaint here.
My Thoughts
I’m against vaccine mandates and always was, though United certainly has the right to protect its workforce and customers as it sees fit within the boundaries of law, including requiring all new employees to be vaccinated. I think it is largely true that offering “accommodation” to those who declined the vaccine on medical or religious grounds was not accommodation at all.
But even as some vaccine skeptics appear more credible today than in 2021, I’m still struck by the amount of misinformation spewed by vaccine skeptics. For example, the lawsuit claims:
“Specifically, it is not subject to reasonable dispute that vaccination against COVID- 19 fails to prevent the contraction or transmission of COVID-19; thus, an individual who is “fully vaccinated” is just as likely––if not more likely––to contract COVID-19 and transmit the virus than someone who is unvaccinated. And whereas an unvaccinated individual has already contracted COVID-19 and developed natural immunity and antibodies to the virus, a vaccinated person is up to twenty-seven times (27x) more likely to contract coronavirus and transmit it thereafter.”
That’s really a stretch and likely based off a debunked report. See here for context.
And as a person of faith, specifically a Christian, it breaks my heart to see such foolish theology as is espoused in this lawsuit, namely that those who are vaccinated won’t “go to Heaven.” I find absolutely no scriptural support for an idea that a new Heaven and new Earth will be filled only with non-vaccinated folks. Quite the contrary, human flourishing is propelled by science, which is a manifest tribute to a Creator who programmed human beings with logic and reason. Vaccines are a great gift and testament to humanity’s command to subdue the creation.
That said, the legal test is not holding a reasonable faith-based position but a sincerely-held one…
CONCLUSION
A United Airlines flight attendant has sued her employer, alleging she was wrongfully sidelined during the pandemic for her refusal to take the COVID-19 vaccine. Expect to see many more cases like this in the weeks and months ahead.
What utter crap. Sorry, Anybody can make up and say that anything is a “sincerely-held religious belief.” What a load of crap. I have ZERO sympathy for her.
Hmm, didn’t know you had access to her brain to access her beliefs.. FOH. Anyway people do have valid religious concerns–**WHETHER OR NOT YOU PERSONALLY AGREE WITH THEM**. This was written in 2020. I’m sure it’s been updated to include all we’ve learned since then, but still, religious people can believe whatever the f they want, just like you can!
EXPLANATION AND DOCUMENTATION OF
RELIGIOUS BELIEFS IN THE CLERGY LETTER
OF REV. RONALD JONES, D.D.
We oppose taking the Covid-19 because they violate God’s will revealed in the Bible. The Bible clearly teaches human beings are made in the image of God (Genesis 1:26-27) and thus human life is sacred. The Bible also teaches that human life begins at conception (Psalm 139:13-16).
1. We oppose the Covid-19 vaccines because they used fetal cell lines in a part of the process of development, confirmation, and/or production of the vaccines. These vaccines are dependent upon the cells of murdered babies which is forbidden by God.
Documentation: According to the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services, the Johnson & Johnson (Janssen) COVID-19 vaccine used a fetal cell line to produce and manufacture their vaccine. Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccine used a fetal cell line in a very early phase to confirm efficacy prior to production and manufacturing. We believe that any use of a fetal cell line violates God’s will. (See Document below from MDHHS.)
2. We oppose the Covid-19 vaccines because they interfere with the function of the human immune system which God created. These vaccines give genetic code instructions to the cell that does not originate from the DNA in the cell. God’s intent was for the DNA within a person’s body in a cell nucleus to give genetic code instructions not anything outside the cell. Therefore, this process violates the will of God.
Documentation: GAVI, The Vaccine Alliance (gavi.org) produced a video entitled “There are four types of COVID-19 vaccines: here’s how they work.”
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFjIVIIcCvc)
In this video (starts describing Covid-19 vaccines at 2:09), GAVI states, “Not all vaccines [traditional ones] are designed to introduce antigens to the body. Some work by using cells in a patient’s body to produce the antigens themselves. Examples include viral vector vaccines and mRNA vaccines. In both cases, the goal is to get a short fragment of genetic code taken from the target pathogen, in this case the SARS-Cov-2 virus that causes Covid-19, into the patient’s cell. By hijacking the cellular mechanisms, these kinds of vaccines mimic the way viruses normally reproduce during natural infection, but rather than creating copies of the virus, the cells only produce large amounts of antigen that then usually trigger a strong immune response.”
GAVI admits that the cellular mechanisms are hijacked in order to cause the cell to produce antigens. This is an apt description of the interference the genetic code instructions produce in the cell.
“Viral Vector vaccines [Johnson and Johnson/Astra-Zeneca] achieve this by inserting the genetic code for the antigen into a harmless virus which effectively acts like a delivery system to get the code into the cells without causing disease.”
“Nucleic Acid Vaccines, like mRNA and DNA vaccines [Pfizer and Moderna] also involve inserting genetic code into cells, to produce antigens. But instead of using viruses to deliver the code, these vaccines take a more direct approach that involve inserting the code directly into cells, either by attaching it to a molecule or by forcing it into cells, using a ‘gene gun.’”
GAVI admits that these vaccines insert genetic code into cells, to produce antigens. God designed the human immune system so that the DNA in the cell would give genetic instructions to the cell rather than genetic code instructions being inserted by human beings from outside the cell. This describes the interference the genetic code instructions produce in the cell.
It’s all BS nonsense. anything can be justified by slapping “sincerely held religious belief”. Sorry, not buying it. Convenient excuse.
no exemptions for this bs – it’s fine if you want to be religious but you shouldnt allow others to be impacted by your regligious beliefs. Selfish and immoral
Well, you have one thing correct: “no exemptions for this bs”.
See: “this bs”..
Correct on it being BS 🙂
Regardless, so sorry that religious exemptions exist and so sorry that mandates are being struck down left and right. No one was impacted by religious exemptions–aside from those who were denied and also those who were forced to take untested shots against their will.
Jason, what happened to my body, my choice?
When will people understand its definitely your body , but definitely not always your choice how to use it or control it..our laws say you can have sex with anyone you want, over a certain age, but you can’t charge $ for it,,you can have great body, just can’t walk around naked anyplace you chose..I could go on and on..society dictates what the rules are not people in the skin
Explain exactly, how others are being impacted by lack of vaccination? Please provide peer reviewed studies. I eagerly await your lack of response.
Good for her. I hope she wins and this sets a precedent for other vaccination lawsuits to follow.
Lol someone still posting nonsense in my name…her claim sounds like nonsense, unless there is some passage in the Bible stating “Thou shalt not be vaccinated against thy will…”
This women gives real Christians a bad name.
At least they have functioning brain cell, unlike you.
LOL ok conspiracy boy.
Wow, what a burn! If you had any functioning brain cells yourself you’d know that we’re running out of conspiracies because they keep being proven true.
If you say so, dear lol
60% of pedophiles belong to the LGBT.
I thought they belonged to the clergy.
And the difference between those two groups is??
100% of Cucks belong to the Republican Party
*Go Teams….. Reeeeeee Grow up.
Re-posting the same sh*t under different names lol
My religion says I need to be paid a billion dollars a year or I’m not going to go to heaven.
I’m suing my employer!
Grabbing my popcorn!!
Matthew is f’in ridiculous supporting anything to do with COVID at this point, especially these corporations, especially when he ALREADY AGREED on January 31, 2023 that multiple communities, including scientific, were wrong about COVID!
Delta (and I think AA) wouldn’t have this problem. Thank you based Scott Kirby, the smartest CEO in the solar system!
Did Scott Kirby bang your mom or something? He’s objectively a better CEO than Doug parker/ Bob Isom and Bob Jordan
Let’s give it five years when all the COVID vaccine injuries and deaths are even more evident and revisit your statement then.
Hopefully in 5 years you’ll finally be getting the help you need
What help is that? More proof for your fools? How much f’in proof do you need? F’in losers going down with the titanic. Good riddance.
You’ve been saying this since the vaccines first came out (under different usernames) and you keep pushing the goalposts. In 2025, you’ll say by 2030.
Now for the case, the flight attendant will win if she can provide her religious background. Burden of proof is on the flight attendant
Definitely the world would be a much better place if there were no religions.
No, I’d say some people misuse religion.
Kinda like they misuse the term “science”. Science doesn’t speak, and it certainly doesn’t “settle”. It is entirely an observational source of information.
What a load of crap!!! Leave everyone to believe in what they believe. If you don’t good for you. Maybe you should start your own.
Entendo seu pensamento, pois sem seus amigos evanjegues o seu Fuhrer corrupto miliciano nunca teria sido eleito presidente.
LOL–a Reuters fact check, some things never change..no surprise coming from MSM and corporate propaganda mouthpieces.
Care to explain why the Pfizer Phase 3 trial data that showed the vaccines made you 2x more likely to be infected or care to explain why the Cleveland Clinic study showed that the more COVID vaccines you have, the more likely you are to be infected with COVID??
I thought not.
Overall, the fact that Matthew, an alleged Christian, thinks that “United” or any other institution can force untested medical cocktails on ANYONE, proves he is COMPLETELY delusional.
Vaccine study that has people worried is being misinterpreted
Cleveland Clinic paper does not say the bivalent booster increases the risk of catching COVID, but rather, that it reduced infections by 30 per cent.
https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-medical/vaccine-study-has-people-worried-being-misinterpreted
WRONG>>>as usual! https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/very-large-cleveland-clinic-study
Study done at the prestigious Cleveland Clinic, rated #2 best hospital in the world by Newsweek, shows people with more jabs were more likely to get COVID than people with fewer jabs. In other words, we now know that the vaccines had the opposite effect from what we were told.
Here is a direct quote from the paper which makes this crystal clear:
“The risk of COVID-19 also varied by the number of COVID-19 vaccine doses previously received. The higher the number of vaccines previously received, the higher the risk of contracting COVID-19 (Figure 2).”
This is directly measured.
They even repeated it repeated again:
“The multivariable analyses also found that… the greater the number of vaccine doses previously received the higher the risk of COVID-19.”
You just proved the point of the article I posted LOL
Wrong again. Try reaching the SK article in full. You’re such a f’in loser dude it’s unreal. WHY would you STILL be promoting vaccines and corrupt vaccine companies at this point?! You’re seriously a f’in idiot. You lost this battle a LONG time ago.
Naw, the fact that a majority took the vaccine and things are better now shows the right side “won”. Granted, I didn’t know this was a contest with people who were pro-plague, but hey, whatever gives your sad and sorry life meaning…
LOL, you didn’t win jack shit except you’re now a GMO human–congratulations. Or not, seeing the “majority” took saline.
LOOOL keep living with your delusions, dear.
If you’ve got the brains to really figure all of this out, why don’t you read the source paper and link us to the source paper off of pubmed? Is it not on pubmed?
Here’s a similar example, from the same authors:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35028662/
If you’re talking to me then no pay me as I quit this wack blog already. Just closing out open ends
Quit this blog? Lol we all know you’re not going anywhere, you’ll just be back under a different name(s).
When will idiots realize that getting covid after receiving the jabs is a non issue..it helps your body survive something that millions weren’t able to before the shot became mainstream and got us to heard..I got covid 19 twice after my shots and still kicking..watched my best friends older brother approx 58 yrs excellent health die in front of us in 9 days..he begged the hospital staff to save him with the shot, too late after the fact
It *DOESN”T* stop the spread. It was never tested for that, and the fact that most who get the virus now are Vaccinated, shows that using actual statistics, not this “days covid free from when the vaxx was taken” bs, demonstrates the vaccines *NEVER* stopped the spread. Despite the partisan “misinformation”. All one has to do is look at the half a dozen studies on the topic. I don’t care to post them all here, as I have done it elsewhere ad nauseum. So just posting some wannabe official source with data you don’t understand, doesn’t mean you are correct. The fact that you (and others like you) can’t accept that this was an overblown flu from the start, and the vaccine is, at best, 20-30% effective against severe outcomes with an ~1-800 AE rate, shows that you will plant your flag on any hill your side tells you too. The fact that you all went from “muh body, muh choice” to “fweedom” back to “muh body, muh choice” shows how little your beliefs are actually grounded.
So much word salad nonsense in one post…
It doesn’t stop the spread. Except you from spreading your legs, hoe.
Guurl, you really are desperate for attention lol
Gurl, no, lol 😀
Not Aaron >> No, Aaron
Any dog on the street >>> vietri* 😀
right, tell that to my inbox
Yes, that is all you can ever do. Thanks for the data to support your “opinion”.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/
If I post something you will dismiss it anyway LOL
But thanks for using “facts” to support your own pro-plague “opinions” 🙂
Covid was NEVER A PLAGUE fool. Only *religious* believers of propaganda thought that. Guess religion places a part after all.
If you say so, gurl LOL
I don’t say so, I know so, fool.
No, I won’t dismiss it. I have seen it all and can debunk it. I actually have a science degree and work in the field.
You know nothing then LOL 😀
@Brandon
Sure you do, hon, sure you do. 🙂
Ok, I’ll just go back to posting random but applicable facts then.
Leading OB-GYN Group Took $11 Million From CDC to Push COVID Shots on Pregnant Women, Documents Reveal
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/obgyn-cdc-covid-vaccine-pregnant
@AARON
As I have shown, you refuse an actual debate because you can’t actually defend your position. This is due to your position being developed via headlines, not hard data. I provided data, your responses are just mocking. THis will be my last comment to you.
Thank you Brandon. He’s a headline consumer. No actual synthesizing of content, data, or facts.
Yeah, keep posting your “facts” and “data”. Whatever gives your lives meaning 🙂
It doesn’t give our lives meaning, fool. We are simply correcting the record, of which you are bad f’in custodians.
You meant to say “correcting” the “record”. Fixed it for you.
But hey, keep on making $$$ with every post of yours for Matthew… 😀
please, I already quit commenting and didn’t go back to the article–where the comments house our most recent fight–to see your pointless retorts.. who f’in cares. Matthew can have you and Billy Bob and all his other loser NPC’s, have at it. You’re obsessed with me dude.
LOOOOL However you wanna spin it, hon, however you wanna spin it.
Bye! We’ll miss you…until you show up with your new name, that is… 🙂
There is NO need to show up with a new name. Why would anyone want to spending their time arguing with you the king of ignorance and insults? FOH FOOL
Oh I can’t wait to see your new name LOL
Aaron + vietri, please debate issues rather than launching personal attacks. You both are better than that.
Please stop, so over your BS. You know Aaron and his minions have launched a thousand more personal attacks than I ever have.
She’s a MAGA from Alabama. GO FIGURE!
we knew that because she was attractive and her body wasn’t covered in tattoos.
And her sister and her mother are the same person
Here we go….. You weren’t against them. You made it a point to argue with those of us who had a medical reason for not wearing masks. Yet they (UA, AA, DA) didn’t apply the same litmus test to persons traveling from Ebola infected areas. They didn’t force people who may have the flu to wear masks prior to 2020. They also didn’t require vaccines for the flu, or other elements for the standard operation of their job duties. So sorry, your article rings hollow that you didn’t “support their implementation”, but it is “their right to do so”.
Thank you! We have the receipts.
You’re welcome to post my past writings on this topic and I will address them. Go ahead.
Yes, I am welcome, thanks. Your comments are boring AF without me.
Yes, I am welcome, thanks. Your comments are boring AF without me.
Matthew Klint Receipt:
https://i.postimg.cc/VkmqW9WL/Screen-Shot-2023-05-18-at-2-24-41-PM.png
I have. You didn’t specifically discuss the vaxx, that I recall. But you did blast those of us who couldn’t wear masks before. Claiming they weren’t violating the ACAA in their discriminatory practices. When they refused to provide an individual assessment as the ACAA requires. The *ONLY* airline to do so was DAL. There is a reason DAL thought it necessary to offer this path.
Oh he discussed the vax and how companies were more than okay to mandate it
@Vietri, that doesn’t surprise me. His posting from that era was very pro-karen. (IE Sabe de grammies)
Maybe they can repurpose the Freddies to talk about everything they’ve got wrong the past three years, which is a LONG freaking list
@vietri* – I still believe private companies can mandate it. But there must be exceptions afforded according to law.
Yeah we know. What would Jesus say to that? FOH. Bro you’re as Christian as joe Biden.
I don’t know. Did He discuss it?
Yeah he did. Even dumber than I thought
Sorry you lost your lawsuit, but masks are not vaccines. It’s BS that you could not wear them.
No, it’s actually not BS that some people could not wear them OR choose not to wear items with chemicals and plastic fibers in them! Stop supporting this shit! WTF!@
I didn’t sue. It wasn’t worth my time. I just quit flying. I left a job instead of driving 500 miles twice a week. They cost themselves 15k+ of my money. That’s their problem. Not mine.
Even the AAFA said we, severe asthma sufferers, shouldn’t be wearing masks until early 2021 when it became politically inconvenient. I still have the screenshots from 2020. I don’t deal in conjecture. If I say it, I can provide the sources. If you want them, feel free to email me. As I know you have access to it from my responses.
If you have severe asthma it’s probably good to avoid respiratory viruses. I would Think those would do more damage than a mask
I had it in 2020, and I have had the flu. Try again. I’m young and healthy otherwise, and have had asthma for 30 years. So please spare me your uninformed BS.
Whatever dude. You just didn’t want to wear a mask and used athsma as an excuse
Be a man and admit it
It’s funny how ignorant you people are. Hey, your party told you I was wrong, therefore it must be true. You were just a scared karen, just admit it.
You should also actually read the alleged “debunking” if you are going to try and use it. Here is the actual study. Natural immunity was always shown, from the very early days of covid, to be extremely durable.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19
So claiming what was stated being a “stretch” based on a headline doesn’t fully discuss the topic or it’s proof. It was repeatedly shown that NI is many times more durable. THE PURPOSE OF A VACCINE is to stimulate your body to retain T-cells and create antibodies without having to actually contract the virus. People need to lean what they are speaking of before claiming “debunking” and other nonsense.
That’s not what was being debunked. I’m perfectly willing to stipulate that natural immunity is often our most strongest protection. The bunk claim was this – “a vaccinated person is up to twenty-seven times (27x) more likely to contract coronavirus and transmit it thereafter.”
In context, what they said isn’t wrong.
“and whereas an *unvaccinated individual has already contracted COVID-19 and developed natural immunity* and antibodies to the virus, a vaccinated person is up to twenty-seven times (27x) more likely to contract coronavirus and transmit it thereafter.”
That’s actually what the multiple studies (mostly out of Israel, state, based on the data. I’ve seen a range (IIRC) between 13-27x. They didn’t stipulate an unvaccinated individual with no prior immunity was 27x less likely.
Additionally, the Reuters article “added” context, but couldn’t debunk the claim. They just know half their readership won’t read past the headline.
Don’t waste your time with this fool Brandon. When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time. Matthew showed us a very long time ago
@vietri
I’m trying to be reasonable with him. He doesn’t seem like a bad person.
Yeah I thought the same obviously being his biggest fan but look at his friends. Tells you everything and then some.
Goodness vietri*, no need for such vitriol. I had all sorts of people writing to me demanding that you be banned or else they would stop reading. Many did. But I didn’t ban you. I’m not opposed to being wrong and confessing when I am wrong. I have no regrets getting vaccinated and boosted…but I’m perfectly comfortable in stating that only over time will I know for sure if that was the right call.
But it seems to me that while the jab was not as effective as originally hoped for (and Gary does a great job of explaining why if you check out his take on this lawsuit), there is absolutely no proof beyond a smattering of anecdotal tales, that the vaccine was harmful (and of course, this is true of ANY vaccine). And there are many more stats, if we are going to use stats, that suggest it is helpful. I refuse to believe a government as incompetent as our own could somehow hoodwink everyone into ingesting poison (or stealing an election). What you are alleging seems downright crazy and I hope you can understand, with respect, why I make that statement.
Don’t worry. I’m banning myself. And I have no interest in reading propaganda pieces from your friends. Y’all have wrote enough of those to last a million lifetimes. I’m really happy you made it through Russian Roulette just fine. Congratulations on all accounts. It’s over.
@Matt
This is where I have an issue. You claim, without proof, there are no more AE’s resulting from the covid vaccine relative to others. Then pretend that people are whackadoodles when they say that. However, the evidence, based on the flu v. covid vaxx is concerning (60x relative AE’s for C19 v the flu). As one in the field, under normal circumstances, a drug with their AE profiles would have been pulled from the market. Additionally, feel free to browse the VAERS database, you might be surprised what you find. No other vaccine is close in relative terms of AE. Many of which we have all had as children.
These are just the short-term AE’s that we know about, we have no long term data yet. Further, Pfizer unblinded their own trial using the excuse of “vaccination was too critical” which destroys the control group for comparison.
I do not attribute this to malice. I do attribute it to incompetence. (Deal with the FDA and you will understand) So please don’t spread fudd because of some inaccurate “fact check” from Reuters, or whomever.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.22.21263711v1.full
Again, this is just the quickest one I can get to on google. There is a treasure trove of data if you wanted to look for it. I am not an “anti-vaxxer”. I never was. I was always in the wait and see camp. The response to this from the beginning was overblown due to politics.
Brandon please. Look at his friends. They are
Still posting masks and vaccines working and COVID being a plague still. They are lost to the cause. Don’t waste your breath. Just go back and look at all their articles demanding discrimination, censorship, mandates, and all the rest. These articles speak for themselves. This is who these people are. Im sorry to have not figured it out sooner myself. I really thought they were good people deep down. They aren’t. They need to cut multiple heads of snakes.
@vietri,
I don’t care enough to find out who his friends are. I just wish he would stop parroting phrases he read without verify their validity. Like claiming there is no increase in AE rates specific to the c19 vaxx. It’s objectively false and for a person claiming to be of an “open mind” it shows how little he has bothered to read in the topic.
His friends are active participants in this charade
It’s Time for the Scientific Community to Admit We Were Wrong About COVID and It Cost Lives
As a medical student and researcher, I staunchly supported the efforts of the public health authorities when it came to COVID-19. I believed that the authorities responded to the largest public health crisis of our lives with compassion, diligence, and scientific expertise. I was with them when they called for lockdowns, vaccines, and boosters.
I was wrong. We in the scientific community were wrong. And it cost lives.
I can see now that the scientific community from the CDC to the WHO to the FDA and their representatives, repeatedly overstated the evidence and misled the public about its own views and policies, including on natural vs. artificial immunity, school closures and disease transmission, aerosol spread, mask mandates, and vaccine effectiveness and safety, especially among the young. All of these were scientific mistakes at the time, not in hindsight. Amazingly, some of these obfuscations continue to the present day.
https://www.newsweek.com/its-time-scientific-community-admit-we-were-wrong-about-coivd-it-cost-lives-opinion-1776630
1) IMO the flight attendant is just on a money grab and doesn’t care about facts.
2) @Matthew – Any chance you could block this vietri character for a few months? The crazy from them is making my head hurt.
Poor thing. Sorry the truth “makes your head hurt”. TBH it would make mine hurt, too. Not my fault you choose to ignore it for years. You made your bed. Enjoy.
Hi Christian. Matthew always defends Freedom of Speech, even to people with mental disabilities like vietri and Koggerj.
Without Freedom of Speech, we would not know who the idiots are, anyway…
Please, we know who the idiots are on this blog and it’s not me.
A fascinating exchange………I do have one question for all of you…..I guessing that you are all US citizens.
When did the USA lose it’s grace?
I can’t say for sure, but polarization has been especially bad the last 2 decades. Prior to that, maybe it was the same (recency bias), but I can’t know. I have no data to fully prove this. One can only hope we revert to the mean sooner rather than later.
When a black man was elected president and all the Republicans lost their minds and accused him of being Muslim from Kenya. It all went downhill from there
OMG, nice recency bias. You people are incapable of logic and reason. You were recycling the “muh whyte supremacy” and “repubs are nazi’s” in 2006. Then you made every criticism about Obama about race instead of policy. Hell, this BS polarization has been at minimum since 2004. I swear you partisans are so annoying. (let me know if you want the reciepts, I can provide those as well)
I sincerely regret commenting on this blog for the past few years, making Matthew $$ and giving him clicks and views, when he buys into non-stop propaganda as an alleged Christian. I am glad that I took the Christian/faith based posts with a grain of salt, as we have more than enough proof to understand now that corporations/gov/msm > faith for him and most here.
That’s such a slanderous and unfair charge. I’ve afforded you the platform and respect no others have and you reward it by castigating me? I don’t need your comments to make money. 90%+ of LALF’s traffic comes from Google and 99% of readers don’t comment. Don’t take credit where credit is not due. You are always welcome here. But don’t make the assumption that I egg you on or want you to comment for pecuniary reasons. That could not be further from the truth. I want you to read and engage so that you can be rescued from the forces on the dark web that seem to pull you down. I see the best in you.
Patronizing not accepted. I wish you the best in the future.
GTFOH then already wanker. I’m sure there’s some alt right 4Chan group that will happily accept you.
Not my style.. plus I am gay. They hate homos
It’s funny how everything you don’t like is 1 of 4 things. 4chan, Qanon, “russia” or “whyte supremacy”. It gets really. Although, one of those is a relatively recent development (russia, 2016). Try critical thinking and leaving your bubble for once.
You’re foolish to think I was patronizing you.
I’d rather be foolish for one thing than for hundreds or thousands like y’all. Enjoy.
Only @Jared Houser and a comment about the newest UA routes can save this comments section now.
I know, you hate when I do that — “another comment section that got vietried–sad”. Don’t worry, you can handle it all on your own soon. This ignorance and BS isn’t it. Never has been.
The lawsuit is problematic in a few ways: The most glaring of all is that it is very difficult to define what is a “sincerely held religious belief.”. More specifically, what is the gold standard definition of the “religious belief?” Are any beliefs “religious” as long as the “believer thinks it is part of his/her religious construct?”. And how do we prove that such believe is “sincere?”.
Furthermore, the opinion piece by a Texas MD-PhD student never said EVERYTHING was wrong about COVID. He was specifically criticizing HOW the information was presented and how the information was not presented to a small (or large?) subset of the public. However, in my “sincere” opinion, the part of the problem is that the some member of general public are somewhat lacking in the general scientific concepts that are necessary to understand the information presented by the scientists and other officials.
Also, it really helps if we read any “article,” whether it is a scientific paper or an opinion piece, in THEIR ENTIRETY, before coming to any conclusion.
For example, the Cl;eveland Clinic study quoted here DID NOT that vaccinations caused increased incidence of COVID-19 infection. To do this, one must design a double-blinded randomized study (people randomized to receive the vaccine/number o vaccines and KEEPING EVERYTHING THE SAME). That kind of study would have been both unethical and infeasible to conduct. So that was not done.
There’s also Oregon v Smith, an opinion Scalia wrote, still on the books and one that even the present conservative majority seems hesitant to overturn (beyond Alito and Thomas).
It would literally take all year and hundreds of hyperlinks which Matthew (conveniently) doesn’t want to show you why the opinion piece is correct, fool. The information is EVERYWHERE. can’t help willful ignorance! Down with the titanic she goes! Bye Jack!
I don’t understand why it would take hundreds of hyperlinks. Why not just copy and paste the pertinent info? If you’re linking to a peer-reviewed study, you can post the DOI.
Bro how many studies have I posted! Seriously. Douchebag.
Watch the language.
Second, do you know what a peer-reviewed study is?
Bruh how many have I posted. I’ve posted PR MANY TIMES. Keep doing damage control. The
Regulars know
What do you mean by “the opinion piece is correct?” It’s an opinion piece. You either agree with it totally/partially or disagree with it. Perhaps I’m also a “fool,” but there’s nothing in the opinion piece that even suggested that the COVID-19 vaccines are harmful or ineffective. It basically said that the politicization of public health, as well as the dystopian nature of this country, created an environment where ordinary people became vaccine skeptics, not because they knew something better, but because they became fed up with the poorly designed public health policies and haphazard executions of them, as well as poorly managed communication of the actual facts. You should read this article again, if you like.
I, however, agree with you that there are a lot of incorrect and potentially harmful information masquerading as “news” and “scientific article.” The unfortunate reality is that, unless one is a well-trained scientist with an adequate fund of basic scientific knowledge, it is often impossible to tell the “real science” from “garbage.” I’m afraid you have consumed too much of the latter.
But that’s not really surprising. As the opinion piece suggests, we currently live in an environment where people like you are pre-programmed to consume fake news.
Very unfortunate that RELIGION has to be tied to health these days. If you are a Jehovah’s Witness and don’t believe you should receive a blood transfusion, then YOU COULD DIE.
Entirely their choice to do so. One should not be forced to make a decision to undergo a treatment they *feel* violates their beliefs. I disagree. The data disagrees. But that is an individuals choice to make. This is the problem with the “common good” nonsense.
*Note: I’m an atheist. Personally, if she said x medical procedure would cause me genital fleas, and fleas are against my religion to praise the flying spaghetti monster, I personally wouldn’t have given a …. People need to stop trying to control others.
In the dark ages when I was in medical school, we were taught the principles of medical ethics-nonmaleficence, autonomy, beneficience, and justice. In the covid and post covid era, I fear autonomy (of the patient) was forgotten. Hopefully it will return and even if an individual’s belief is not one’s own, it can be respected…or perhaps in this day of divisiveness that’s just a pipe dream…
I feel like we have a long way to go and I’m not sure we ever get back to it since people have allowed politics to throughly corrupt their objectivity.
For all of the fools who are blind—no pun intended, here is Matthew Klint saying he agrees with me and Newsweek and many others
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Please no it’s not. I told your wack ass friends too. See email. I moved out of my parents at 18. What think I did for two decades??? Research, fool. I’m a generalist. Your bad, thought y’all were as dumb as your (clearly dumb AF audiences)
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Works for me just fine. Don’t care. Bye loser. Enjoy all your great friends Aaron and Billy Bob and Jason and UANYC and all of the other countless losers here
Well folks, we see on full display in this thread how much the pandemic has damaged the fragile minds of so many.
That’s what you get for willful intentional ignorance, for serving your overlords instead of serving Jesus: THE truth. WWJD??? Fool
Govern me harder daddy
Who, specifically is this in reference too? I mean just hurling insults isn’t (Ie “collectively damaged fragile minds” ) proof of an arguments lack of validity.
I wasn’t referring to you or your point of view.
By her criteria, she is going to hell. See…
Ms. Myers sincerely believes that her body is not to be altered in any way other than through means by which God created or through scientifically proven, safe, and effective manmade and necessary medical intervention.
She is wearing makeup, which is not medical intervention.
She should lose and be forced to pay a nuisance fine.
This is why we will ridicule people like you. You are unserious person who wants to jam your will down others throats.
Thank you once again truthfully I wasn’t sure if I could trust you but either way appreciate you and Santastico for trying
@Brandon
Watching this slow motion single car crash has been epic. Be gone now.
Y’all caused the crash
How many times did he say he was leaving and is still posting here? lol
I’m not to be thanked. Honestly, I spend more time discussing it than is healthy. Education is the only way to enlightenment and hopefully my links to actual studies can convince just one person to not follow the false narrative.
Covid outbreaks must be hell in heaven.
Not to placate Aaron and UANYC—it will anyway—but I’ve expressed being suicidal before and today I’ve decided it’s finally time to follow through. My obituary will take 1-2 months because bodily extradition out of Florida takes a while to my home state. However my obituary can be found once posted under
Anthony M. Joseph, Jr., 41 years old
North Providence, Rhode Island
Thanks to most for being utter complete douchebags to me for years now—all because you bought into a the biggest lie of all time. Not my fault, but you shot the messenger anyway.
Combined with all of my other problems in life I certainly don’t see any reason to continue to live on this awful planet but please know my blood is still partially on your hands. Not that you ever cared. Bye losers.
Faking a suicide online and using someone else’s name? Ewwwww.
RIP to the real Anthony M. Joseph, Jr., if he did indeed commit suicide.
Entertaining and exhausting.
It’s a shitty vaccine anyway. I’ve had four shots but forcing it on others is horrendously stupid.