United Airlines CEO Scott Kirby is mincing no words: United plans to be the world’s largest airline by next summer as it awaits the return of its 777 jets and continues to take delivery of new jets.
United Airlines Plans To Be World’s Largest Airline By Summer 2022
In a video message to employees reviewed by Live and Let’s Fly, Kirby recounts his week in Scotland at the 2021 United Nations Climate Change Conference (COP26), noting:
- United Airlines was the only major airline invited
- He dined with U.S. Climate Envoy John Kerry and Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg and met with other world leaders this week
- United Airlines has been universally praised for its proactive climate initiatives, which include:
- Carbon sequestration
- Electric aircraft
- Sustainable aviation fuel
- Attendees love Polaris class and “dozens” have raved to him about the seat and the great service onboard
But it gets interesting when Kirby talks about growth. Comparing United’s disciplined growth to the irresponsible growth at “our competition” (American Airlines) that has led dismal operational performance, Kirby suggests more rapid growth will soon return to United, positioning it to be the largest airline in the world:
“What we’re doing in the next couple years is going to really solidify our position as the leading global airline in a way that no one else could ever catch up with us. We made all the right decisions, we made the hard decisions going through COVID, but we set ourselves up to to be the leading global airline and we’re doing it responsibly and have avoided some of the challenges and the meltdowns that have happened at other airlines.
“And we are responsibly growing that schedule back, you’re going to see us quickly go from having a smaller schedule during COVID when it was appropriate to have a smaller schedule to, as we see real demand at Christmas and the business demand start to recover in January, you’re going to see us, particularly once we get the 777s back, getting back to 100% and well beyond 100% of where were were in 2019.
“By the time we get to next summer, I think it’s going to be gangbusters. All of our business travel won’t be back yet, but we’re going to be the largest airline in the world, I suspect. More importantly, we’re going to be the biggest airline in the world.
He doesn’t define largest or biggest…he’s a politician too, after all. Airline size can be measured in many ways:
- Revenue passenger miles (RSM) – the sum of the distances flown by all passengers over the course of the year
- Available seat miles (ASM) – a measure of an airplane’s total carrying capacity available to generate income
- Fleet size
- Company revenue
- Routes served
Which metrics will make United largest or biggest? I’ve reached out to United for comment.
CONCLUSION
Kirby notes “we’ve given ourselves the chance to be, not just the biggest, but the best airline in the world.” Biggest, largest, and best are lofty expectations, but as American Airlines falters and Delta Air Lines seems to be taking a more cautious approach, Kirby’s words are not mere lip service to employees, but underscore United’s current trajectory.
image: Scott Kirby / Instagram
Raving about the Polaris service…ah Kirby was realistic before…this is hubris
An absolute fking dirt bag of a human being
The first thing this guy tried to do to his employees seconds after he took money from the cares act was to furlough up to half of their hours…. Newark is run understaffed and they are using mandatory overtime every day to try and get by… The holidays will be a shit show… Customer beware!!!
Not replying to Greg, but trying to reply to Scott Kirby!
He has dumped employees due the the vaccine, he has coerced others due to the vaccine, he had bowed to money and reputation as his God. One day he will regret his choices.
I second…10000 what Susan says! No integrity, disgusting.
I find the comment about dozens of people raving (presumably in a positive manner) about Polaris to be kind of amusing. Kirby has done a fair bit to make the Polaris experience worse. I wonder if he bragged about that? “Thanks for the props, Julie. If you think it’s good now, you should have tried it when we offered wine flights. No, I cut them because they cost money. “
And the seat itself…”pretty mediocre” is my verdict after a dozen flights in them. Angled seats are bad, no privacy into the aisle and the side table is awkwardly behind you. True window seats are *fine*, but lack the space of any reverse herringbone (and are esp. narrow on the 787).
I very much agree. They are SO NARROW, particularly getting in and out. I’m 5’7 with a 29″ waist and I knock things off the table every time I get in and out. I also really don’t sleep well in the seats. And I hate that the screen won’t angle up or down – I like to watch movies fully flat, it helps my fall asleep but I can’t see the screen on these seats.
Certainly choose them over coach on any other airline, but I choose almost any other (newer) seat before these.
It’s no hubris. It’s just a lie.
The walls of the fancy restaurant must have crumbled a little, listening to Kirby and John Kerry congratulating each other for vision and bravery, having flown private to dine on caviar at a climate conference.
I think the jazz with Polaris is not the seat itself – agree, on the 767 and 787 it’s narrow- but the whole experience which includes the Polaris lounges and the bedding.
Where Polaris continues to fall way behind other carries is the service- I invariably get the impression that the flight attendants are doing the BARE minimum.
Adi, What you are seeing with the service is. UA giving the minimum expenditure possible on food and amenities. The BARE minimum by the flight attendants is UA is still using the FAA minimum staffing that was put into effect with Covid.. A international 777 before Covid was staffed with 11 or 12 FAs it will be staffed with 8. So service is going to suffer. Sorry, greed by Kirby and his cronies is what drives the airline. He and the boarded will all get huge bonuses for how well they handled this last year. While the front line works are worked to death. How do you become an elite you stand on the corpses of your own employees!
How comes I lose my bag and no one can find it ?
I recommend an AirTag for you
United does appear to be on a good trajectory. I personally have seen small but appreciated improvements in crew demeanor. While other international carriers are still the undisputed leaders when it comes to in-flight service, it seems like Kirby is empowering staff to close the gap. Let’s hope that continues.
Indeed, let’s hope so.
Why were my comments censored on the Austria article?
For those who missed my censored comments, I was replying to Matthew saying “There are no valid logical reasons to abstain from a COVID-19 vaccine from a risk/benefit perspective” with this sampling of a rebuttal. Only a sampling as there are tons articles like this and many more stories untold both per:
– Vaccine-Injured Speak Out, Feel Abandoned by Government Who Told Them COVID Shot Was Safe – https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/ron-johnson-people-injured-covid-vaccine/
– Professional Mountain Bike Racer Describes Life-Altering Vaccine Injuries After Second Pfizer COVID Shot – https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/kyle-warner-vaccine-injuries-pfizer-covid-shot/
– Cancer Survivor Says Pfizer Vaccine Injuries ‘Far Worse’ Than Cancer – https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/diane-ochoa-guillain-barre-pfizer-covid-vaccine-injuries/
– Gov. Newsom Injured by Moderna Booster Shot, Source Tells The Defender – https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/gov-gavin-newsom-moderna-booster-vaccine
– Tennis Pro Says ‘Season Is Over’ After COVID Vaccine Injury – https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/tennis-pro-jeremy-chardy-pfizer-covid-vaccine-injury
– 4,000 Patents: Why the ‘Novel’ SARS-CoV-2 Virus Isn’t so Novel – https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/david-martin-patents-recombinant-coronavirus
– “Anyone who believes a U.S. President can unilaterally impose a medical treatment on all Americans as a condition of employment is constitutionally illiterate and morally bankrupt.” -Thomas Massie https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/status/1457183500243722246
– “Suggesting shots aren’t dangerous because you got them and are fine is like saying that Russian Roulette isn’t dangerous because you played and survived. It’s called gaslighting.”
Stop gaslighting us, Matthew.
Acura, I have never argued that the COVID-19 is our salvation or that any of the available vaccines are 100% effective. But gauging what is “dangerous” is always a comparative effort. Many at my church in LA think like you – and I’ve been to many funerals over the last year. I’m going to another one next week. I also have friends I see every Sunday who have not been able to smell for 11 months. I also lost my sense of smell when I had COVD-19, thankfully for only six weeks. It’s bad. Really bad. For the hundreds of thousands who died with COVID-19 (notice I say with, not necessarily of, but COVID-19 is the sine qua non of each death), the risk of dying or being injured by COVID-19 is exponentially worse than dying or being injured by the vaccine.
You want to continue to argue and focus on how unsafe the vaccine is by cherrypicking horrible outcomes that no one is really disputing. There are bad outcomes and death has resulted. But why do you not focus on how many lives COVID-19 has taken and the lethalness of that virus, even if the vast majority survive?
My wife is a nurse. She sees needless death from unvaccinated people every week in her hospital. I’ve seen it with my own eyes – this isn’t a game or a test for ideological purity. This is the sad reality. Where we probably agree is that the government has made it worse through mandates, which discourage many people who would otherwise be open to it. I’m also not for lockdowns, even if they do effectively buy us time.
But for every anecdote you can produce, I can testify of what I have seen with my own eyes: COVID-19 kills and disables in an excruciatingly painful way. The vaccines may well prove not to be efficacious on a long-term basis…that’s still a risk I’m willing to take. Easily. There is no nefarious plot. Scientists are doing the best they can and the vaccine represents a remarkable display of human ingenuity, bearing testimony to the Creator.
I pray Acura that the scales would fall off your eyes and the fear that you have been peddled will transform into wisdom and discernment.
I do appreciate your reply and perspective. I’m glad we agree on some things. I think long term once Joe Biden’s employer mandate is struck down that United is going to have a problem on their hands.
However “There is no nefarious plot” is simply incorrect. This will come out in time. The veil is being lifted in so many areas.
Also, if you had a vaccine injury or death, getting the vaccine would have been worth it? would still state that it’s safe? Same for if your wife or son was injured?
How many boosters are you going to get? How many for your son? Six? Ten? What’s your limit?
The body cannot be fortified by injecting toxins. Health cannot be injected. Period.
Sorry for blowing up your article not related to vaccines
Your comments were not censored.
They were never approved and they were added hours before you made other comments the post, so, 99.9% sure they were. They still are missing from the post. I guess we’ll blame Dorsey.
on the post*
I see you just approved this one left a short time ago. And now the Austria one. But the Austria article took 24 hours for approval? “Come on man.”
You included so many links it went into the confirmed spam folder. Anything more than one link places the comment into moderation and apparently anything more than five automatically deletes it.
I apologize then on this point. But this point only. Still not sure how you are sleeping at night. I agree with dust to dust but we still need to take care of humanity – and tell the truth – while we are here.
I wish they had been.
Some people don’t understand the distinction between censorship (government) and editing (private entity). The government is not allowed to restrict speech except in very narrow circumstances. Someone running a website is allowed to block anything they choose to. A person certainly doesn’t have the right to come into my house and start spewing their anti-vax nonsense. I’d duct tape his or her mouth shut, and shove them out the door. Think of a website as a private home where the host decides what topics are acceptable and which aren’t.
He’s a garden variety anti-vaxxer Matthew, spewing misinformation from a trash anti-vaxxer / conspiracy site…at a certain point, you can’t help these people, let them follow Q and Joe Rogan down the rabbit hole, and be the ones most likely to end up in the ER.
In a world full of propaganda, the truth is always a conspiracy.
For those who missed my reply because it was censored, I was replying to Matthew regarding this insane statement in his recent Austria article where he stated: “There are no valid logical reasons to abstain from a COVID-19 vaccine from a risk/benefit perspective.” This was part of my rebuttal:
Please use Google to research these headlines or quotes, seeing that direct links keep sending my comment to moderation to be censored and deleted by Matthew:
1) Vaccine-Injured Speak Out, Feel Abandoned by Government Who Told Them COVID Shot Was Safe
2) Professional Mountain Bike Racer Describes Life-Altering Vaccine Injuries After Second Pfizer COVID Shot
3) Cancer Survivor Says Pfizer Vaccine Injuries ‘Far Worse’ Than Cancer
4) Gov. Newsom Injured by Moderna Booster Shot, Source Tells The Defender
5) Tennis Pro Says ‘Season Is Over’ After COVID Vaccine Injury
6) 4,000 Patents: Why the ‘Novel’ SARS-CoV-2 Virus Isn’t so Novel
There are countless more stories like this, both told and untold. The above is only a sampling. My own personal family and network have stories untold since being vaccinated. Everyone regrets it. EVERY SINGLE RUSHED VACCINE IN HISTORY HAS BEEN TAKEN OFF THE MARKET.
Thomas Massie tweeted this week: “Anyone who believes a U.S. President can unilaterally impose a medical treatment on all Americans as a condition of employment is constitutionally illiterate and morally bankrupt.”
The Nomad Soul tweeted today: “Suggesting shots aren’t dangerous because you got them and are fine is like saying that russian roulette isn’t dangerous because you played and survived. It’s called gaslighting.”
EVERY SINGLE ONE. And now you’re in a rush to vaccinate your 5 to 11 year olds? What kind of demented reality is this? Just because you were brainwashed and misled doesn’t mean everyone needs to be. Thanks though!
Editing error.
“EVERY SINGLE ONE.” should have been immediately after: “EVERY SINGLE RUSHED VACCINE IN HISTORY HAS BEEN TAKEN OFF THE MARKET.”
Corrected:
EVERY SINGLE RUSHED VACCINE IN HISTORY HAS BEEN TAKEN OFF THE MARKET. EVERY SINGLE ONE.
You left out number 7:
Republicans complain that AOC wasn’t where they told insurrectionists to find her on January 06.
That statement is just as credible as the ridiculous six you enumerate before.
This isn’t about AOC. This is about the safety and health of humanity. All of the articles provided are credible, documented, and and well-researched.
They’re all as credible as The Onion headline that I paraphrased. That’s because your listings are ridiculously subjective, junk science, or both. They belong in a foil-hat convention or the National Equirer front page. “Vaccine Injury”? Did someone stab themselves in the eye by mistake?
They are actually neither. You’re in the minority. I know that the MSM, Hunter’s Dad, and apparently Matthew, have you thinking that actual real life vaccine injury stories don’t matter. But they do.
I encourage everyone to read each article plus the countless others available. The airlines, unions, MSM, Big Pharma (aka Big Chemical), Big Tech, and countless others, can try to stop the truth. But the truth cannot be stopped. Sorry.
Furthermore, I’m pretty sure that people like Matthew are paid off to be on the wrong side of history at this point. What other explanation would make sense?
And to your earlier points, I’m not a Republican nor do I support what occurred on 1/6.
Congrats on being on the wrong side of history.
For those who missed my REAL reply because it was censored (even though I might not even be real but perhaps a Russian bot), I am SHOCKED that nobody is interested in an irrelevant and unrelated rant about Covid vaccines, so I will add it here in an article about global airline travel volumes.
This REAL rebuttal is misquoted- it is as follows
Please use Google to research these headlines or quotes, seeing that direct links keep sending my comment to moderation to be censored and deleted by Matthew:
1) Automobile-Injured Speak Out, Feel Abandoned by Government Who Told Them Automobiles Were Safe
2) Professional Mountain Bike Racer Describes Life-Altering Injuries After Automobile Injury
3) Cancer Survivor Says Automobile Injuries ‘Far Worse’ Than Cancer
4) Gov. Newsom Injured by Automobile, Unconfirmed Source Tells The Defender
5) Tennis Pro Says ‘Season Is Over’ After Automobile Injury
There are countless more stories like this, both told and untold. The above is only a sampling. My own personal family and network have stories untold since using automobiles. Everyone regrets it. EVERY SINGLE AUTOMOBILE IN HISTORY HAS BEEN TAKEN OFF THE MARKET.
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OK, so thank god these yahoos didn’t have the internet and ways to spread this idiocy when seatbelt laws were starting… we’d see some version my satirical take on these folks. EVRERY intervention has risks. Are they better or worse than the alternative? Studies are pretty clear on this one
As for the original poster, we have a saying in science- “the plural of anecdote is not data”. If you really think that googling people’s testimonials about bad experiences with vaccines in the hard hitting investigative resource “Children’s Health Defense” website is the same as actually finding real data, you are in some fantasyland.
If you can quote actual peer- reviewed data (I doubt you even know what that means), maybe reference exactly what actual large studies you have personally reviewed, then please add to the discussion. Maybe actual CDC data (not the new releases, the actual volumes of studies), New England Journal, JAMA, etc perhaps? And please… don’t go on about some vast conspiracy “hiding” the “real truth.” Just makes you sound more nuts
Driving, but in response to
“Maybe actual CDC data (not the new releases, the actual volumes of studies), New England Journal, JAMA”
Big pharma owns them all. Including MSM.
So not sure who that would help.
Communists infiltrated from the inside. I guess if you don’t see it by now, you’ll never see it. So sad that you’re that far gone.
Yup, conspiracy theory is the response. Any actual data or sources or information? Nope.
There is actually significant data on who owns people like Fauci and Pelosi. Much of their finances have been traced and researched even recently. But I’m out and about in Florida, enjoying my unvaccinated life, not wearing a mask, so I don’t care to look for it right now. Besides, nothing that I provide will change your mind anyway. We all know that. The information is there. We live in the information age. You have a supercomputer at your fingertips, but you choose not to use it. Ignorance must really be bliss. Until you die randomly in your sleep at 52 like this pro-vax cardiologist shortly after being vaccinated. Not the first either. Might not be data to you, but it’s data to me. Sleep tight.
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2021/11/13/prominent-cardiologist-who-said-he-would-not-cry-at-funeral-of-selfish-unvaxxed-dies-in-sleep-reportedly-weeks-after-third-jab-1162553
It’s just like a “follow the science” type to get the facts wrong. The plural of anecdote IS data.
http://blog.danwin.com/don-t-forget-the-plural-of-anecdote-is-data/
One don’t have to agree with Acura to have reasons to doubt the party line on COVID-19 vaccines. Even one of Fauci’s own hasn’t gotten vaccinated.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/vaccine-mandate-debate-makes-it-to-top-federal-research-agency-11636286400
I like how Acura V2 says we should look at CDC data. The media never seem to publicize the age-stratified case and death statistics. If one looks at the CDC data, one sees that the risk of death for children is virtually nil (fewer than 600 deaths under the age of 18 over the entire pandemic in the US) and that COVID-19 overwhelmingly kills folx who are already near the median life expectancy and often suffering from multiple comorbidities. What the public health establishment should have done from the very beginning was shield the most vulnerable. Instead, we got CCP-style lockdowns and ineffective mandates. The data show lockdowns had little effect. Why have officials and the media not been shouting from the mountaintops that COVID-19 really kills fat people? Instead we get nonsense about white supremacy being to blame and people stay fat and die. Nice try at “sciencing,” though.
https://www.newsweek.com/covid-lockdowns-have-no-clear-benefit-vs-other-voluntary-measures-international-study-shows-1561656
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/eci.13484
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30208-X/fulltext
https://www.science.org/content/article/why-covid-19-more-deadly-people-obesity-even-if-theyre-young
https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n623
Er, one doesn’t.
Um still no. Plural of anectode is not data. Anectodes randomly reported is not a dataset- I’m not sure citing a random blog post proves your point. Can you describe how to collect case control data or prospective datasets? Nope.
Did you actually reference the CDC data itself? C’mon- you’re pretty brilliant- cite it when you spout these numbers! But you can’t and didn’t
Did you compare the death rates of vaccinated vs unvaccinated? Excess yearly death rates? Nope.
Did you read the study in the Newsweek article or just linking it? Did you seek out ALL the actual studies or just find some news articles and blogs you think agree with you?
Tell that to the parents who lost a child.
And your argument is counter to Acura’s
who says a few injured people matter.
Aren’t you both late for your tin foil hat convention?
Your soap don’t sell here…..
Please stop coddling these delusional, anti-vax, nazi morons.
projection. Constant projection from the left. That’s all you really have. You’re losing that badly. Y’all are the delusional Nazi morons. Not us.
Anyone who disagrees with you must be a Nazi. Just what a Nazi might say!
I can’t? Do you really think I make these numbers up? I have posted the link to the CDC’s age-stratified statistics numerous times in the comments.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-07-15/drowning-deaths-for-us-kids-have-fallen-38-since-1999
595 deaths of children as of the latest count. Do you want me to spoon-feed you more data that the fear mongerers don’t care to spread?
You can’t even admit when you get the quote completely wrong and invert its meaning.
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2017/12/25/data/
Did you read All the studies? We can both post links to myriad studies supporting our assertions. I know how to read, thank you very much. Don’t think that you can pull the wool over my eyes with some high-fallutin’ science talk. I don’t go to Acura’s “anecdotes” for my sciencing. The exhortation to “follow the science” is useless. Science cannot tell us how to resolve the political battle over freedom versus safety. Unfortunately, the safetyists have been winning so far. Praise Comrade Xi for his outstanding example and leadership!
No. You both are insane.
This is not the time or place.
But then again, mentally ill people have no boundaries.
Please go away…..
Can you imagine how life must feel like with minds that work like those of these wackos? Wild.
Imagine being so innumerate, ignorant and fearful, yet personifying the overconfident side of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
https://www.cdc.gov/transportationsafety/child_passenger_safety/cps-factsheet.html
In 2019, 608 child passengers under the age of 12 died. That doesn’t even count the 12<n<18 cohort. Only 595 child deaths thus far over the course of nearly two years of the pandemic. Do you live in mortal fear of automobiles?
Take a look at the latest UK COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report. Page 22 show that case rates are more than twice as high for vaccinated folx than unvaccinated for some age cohorts. Only in children is the case rate for the unvaccinated significantly higher than for the vaccinated. COVID-19 is overwhelmingly mild in children, as seen in death rates for children, so this is not a threat to them. What is very much harmful is the environment of fear and dread adults have created for them. I know the pediatric ward of my local blue state hospital is full of children who attempted suicide. Suicidal ideation and attempts are elevated thanks to lockdowns and scaremongering by people like you. Literal murderers!
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1032859/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_45.pdf
https://www.healio.com/news/psychiatry/20211013/childrens-suicide-attempts-have-increased-during-covid19-pandemic
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2784787
https://www.unicef.org/pacificislands/press-releases/impact-covid-19-poor-mental-health-children-and-young-people-tip-iceberg-unicef
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/suicides-among-japanese-children-record-high-during-pandemic-media-2021-10-14/
Your boundary for controlling the behavior of others ends with your children. Leave the rest of us alone.
“There are no valid logical reasons to abstain from a COVID-19 vaccine from a risk/benefit perspective” – this is a statistically correct statement. Death rate for the unvaccinated who contract Covid are about an order of magnitude higher than the vaccinated who contract Covid (https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/95119). Like other vaccines, or the act of eating peanut butter or crossing the street, a small percentage experience adverse outcomes. It appears you are making the mistake of focusing on anecdotal evidence (my neighbor died while crossing the street) rather than a broader statistical evidence (0.001% died while crossing a street). Anything is possible at the individual level, but most people should rely on statistical data when making such decisions. Table 3 in this study (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2784015) shows the statistical data for various adverse outcomes from mRNA vaccinations vs the “normal” rate of these conditions happening. The total rate of all of these conditions combined for those vaccinated is 7,487 per million vs 7,926.1 per million “norm.” In general, the data indicates that you don’t have elevated risks for developing these conditions because of the vaccine. However, there are some conditions, like blood clots (the condition listed on first row), that seem meaningfully more common for the vaccinated, so this should be taken into consideration. In any case, I would again urge you to focus your efforts on statistical date rather than anecdotes that tend to make good headlines but often serve to prevent readers from properly understanding the risks and the benefits.
Imagine being so innumerate, ignorant and fearful, yet personifying the overconfident side of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
https://www.cdc.gov/transportationsafety/child_passenger_safety/cps-factsheet.html
In 2019, 608 child passengers under the age of 12 died. That doesn’t even count the 12<n<18 cohort. Only 595 child deaths thus far over the course of nearly two years of the pandemic. Do you live in mortal fear of automobiles?
Take a look at the latest UK COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report. Page 22 show that case rates are more than twice as high for vaccinated folx than unvaccinated for some age cohorts. Only in children is the case rate for the unvaccinated significantly higher than for the vaccinated. COVID-19 is overwhelmingly mild in children, as seen in death rates for children, so this is not a threat to them. What is very much harmful is the environment of fear and dread adults have created for them. I know the pediatric ward of my local blue state hospital is full of children who attempted suicide. Suicidal ideation and attempts are elevated thanks to lockdowns and scaremongering by people like you. Literal murderers!
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1032859/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_45.pdf
https://www.healio.com/news/psychiatry/20211013/childrens-suicide-attempts-have-increased-during-covid19-pandemic
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2784787
https://www.unicef.org/pacificislands/press-releases/impact-covid-19-poor-mental-health-children-and-young-people-tip-iceberg-unicef
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/suicides-among-japanese-children-record-high-during-pandemic-media-2021-10-14/
Your boundary for controlling the behavior of others ends with your children. Leave the rest of us alone.
@Matthew
Please delete the double-posted comment and this one.
Hello cargocult,
I believe you are trying to make three main contentions: 1) why are we so fearful of Covid but not auto accidents, 2) people who got vaccinated are more likely to get Covid, 3) “scaremongering” about Covid is causing rise in suicidal ideations and attempts by children. Is that correct? If so, I am not sure how all these things are related to my post, but I would like to try to address them.
1) Covid and auto accidents make good analogies because they’re both (now) every day risks of modern-day life. In this analogy, I think vaccines for Covid are akin to seat belts & air bags for auto accidents. They both significantly reduce your chance of injury and death. Even more so for vaccines, because they can reduce that chance by up to 10x (depending on the vaccine) versus around 2x for seat belts.
2) In the report you referenced (which is a great report, by the way), page 16 explains why vaccinated people generally reported more positive Covid tests – there are many factors, I think the primary one being that more people in the UK are vaccinated than unvaccinated, and that disparity is highest in the older age cohorts you noted. So, you have more vaccinated people catching Covid because there’s so much more vaccinated people in that age group. What is even more interesting in the table you referenced in page 22 is the data on emergency care and deaths – depending on age group, unvaccinated are 2x to 6x more likely to suffer these adverse outcomes than vaccinated people.
3) I have not read much on this topic, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it was true. My hope is that Covid vaccination, and perhaps yearly booster shots, will ultimately be looked upon like seat belts – a common sense precaution to significantly reduce risk of serious injury or death. In that case, it could become a minor part of the public discourse, like seasonal flu or auto accidents, and there would be no attention paid to fearmongering and misinformation.
My comments were directed at Jorge Paez and Dunning Kruger (perhaps the most ironic handle on this blog), but thank you for taking the time to look at the links I provided and responding to my comment in a reasonable fashion.
I understand that dying by motoring incidents and by communicable diseases are different, but the risk to children from the former is far greater. It is a sad fact that most people are innumerate and incapable of properly assessing the relative risks of different dangers in life. Whether vaccinated or not, children are at close to zero risk of dying from COVID-19.
Medical history is riddled with recalls and failures of products and therapies that were thought to be safe. It is horrifying to see the medical establishment recommend mass vaccination of the entire population with a product for which we have no long-term safety data, especially when it has almost no benefit for younger cohorts. I recommend you also read about original antigenic sin in relation to the vaccine.
As for the seat belt comparison, I always wear one when driving, but I don’t think the state should mandate them, either. Insurance companies could refuse injury claims in which they were not worn. No need for state coercion.
Vaccines seem to prevent the worst outcomes with COVID-19, but they clearly don’t prevent spread, so I don’t see why the rabid pro-vaxxers are vehement about coercing people to get them. As I keep saying, what do they care if deplorables die? Don’t they think they are getting what they deserve? I am not anti-vaccine; I am anti-coercion. Folx like UA-CCP can’t seem to understand that and wish death upon me.
There are obviously more vaccinated people than not in the UK, but the numbers on page 22 are per 100,000, not absolute. For cohorts aged 40-69, doubly-vaccinated case rates are more than double those of unvaccinated. Doesn’t this make it seem like the unvaccinated would more likely be getting infected by vaccinated rather than unvaccinated folx? So much for the “pandemic of the unvaccinated.” Of course, I never denied that the vaccines can reduce the worst outcomes from COVID-19 (at least for a short period), and so the higher rates of serious cases and deaths among the unvaccinated are not surprising at all. Public health officials should have emphasized that maintaining a healthy body would greatly reduce those bad outcomes if one were to get sick. Fat kills, whether you have COVID-19 or not. This is largely a pandemic of the fat and old, and one cannot help being old.
I posted these links earlier, but, of course, the lunatic authoritarians won’t acknowledge them.
https://www.science.org/content/article/why-covid-19-more-deadly-people-obesity-even-if-theyre-young
https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n623
I cannot ever recall getting a flu vaccine. I have no intention of getting any of the current batch of COVID-19 vaccines. I am not so foolish as to think that COVID-19 is a joke, but I take precautions as necessary and don’t live in fear of it. The pandemic has exacerbated the safetyist mentality and folx are increasingly yearning for the warm embrace of CCP-style fascism. I have very little optimism regarding the future handling of the pandemic.
It may surprise you that a Pitt/CMU study of vaccine hesitancy found that it was highest among those with PhDs. I know two neuroscience PhDs who work for major pharmaceutical companies who refuse to get the COVID-19 vaccines.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.20.21260795v1
From the WSJ article I posted earlier:
In the NIH-scheduled roundtable next month, Matthew Memoli, who runs a clinical studies unit within the NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, will make the case against mandates. Dr. Memoli, 48 years old, opposes mandatory Covid-19 vaccination with currently available shots, and he has declined to be vaccinated.
“I think the way we are using the vaccines is wrong,” he said. In a July 30 email to Dr. Fauci and two of his lieutenants, Dr. Memoli called mandated vaccination “extraordinarily problematic.”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/vaccine-mandate-debate-makes-it-to-top-federal-research-agency-11636286400
Jake, you may call it statistically low NOW seeing all the fake, bought and paid for, and cherry picked data, but once the REAL stats come out, then we can talk.
German news agency compiles a list of 75 European athletes who have died “suddenly” in the past 5 months since being fully vaccinated. (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1455320859753787396)
Hello Acura,
Thank you for sharing the link. I couldn’t read the original news article because it’s in German. However, I understand how such stories can affect people, and your point about the unknown future is well taken. I think skepticism is good, and I wish more people would do their own homework when researching topics like this. Again, I would urge you to put more weight towards outcomes based on large sampling size. For example, amongst everyone I know in some way – family, co-workers, neighbors – everyone has gotten vaccinated and no one got sick, caught Covid, or died (my 80 year-old mother did have a headache for a week though). The total number of people in this group is probably about 50 – can I then conclude Covid vaccines are safe, have no side effects, and 100% prevent catching Covid? Absolutely not, because the sample size is too small and is not statistically meaningful.
I appreciate your reply, Jake and I am glad we agree on some things. Also, Google Chrome can translate articles to any language fairly easily. On my end, people that I know are worse off physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually since being vaccinated. There’s been death, heart attacks, vision loss, and other issues in my circle for those who chose to get vaccinated. So for your fifty that you know, y’all did better. Perhaps a healthier group of 50, I’m not sure. That’s the problem with smaller sample sizes. Nevertheless, there is no one size fits all to health. Period. Regarding skepticism, there are both MSM articles and a conspiracy regarding many of the vaccines being saline. It is believed many of the population have received saline as the elite couldn’t introduce a truly nefarious vaccine to all and cause that much havoc at once. It makes sense. The frog in boiling water analogy. If this conspiracy is true, which it could be, it would make sense why many have been vaccinated with no issue.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog
Either way, the number of total vaccinated population worldwide that is being communicated to us is propoganda. These numbers are not right in any WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM. The numbers are fake AF, and at a minimum, certainly heavily inflated. Best of luck in this war.
https://www.wistv.com/2021/06/28/very-limited-number-saline-only-covid-vaccines-accidentally-given-health-dept-says/
Seriously, just piss off to Parler or Truth Social (lololol) or some other alt-right sight where you can vent to your heart’s content, and leave this site for people who, you know, actually travel and like reading about travel-related articles
(and btw, 7,000,000,000+ shots worldwide already…and guess what, it’s going great!)
Hold judgement until 2 years pass from Kirby “pearls of wisdom”. Those of us in the industry have heard this before, seen it appear that way fleetingly, then somebody else claims the title. Mostly it’s cosmetic effects and somebody’s job was on the line.
Around 1984, United tried to attain glory by flying mainline to all 50 states. The harder states may have been Delaware (Wilmington), Mississippi (Jackson), and Wyoming (Casper). It proved to be a money loser.
Nixon promised to campaign for President in all 50 states but that was a losing strategy. JFK beat him by campaigning mostly in the swing states.
Bigger is not always better. Still, good luck United. United has, by far, the best airline name among the big airlines in the U.S. It has the best theme song and jingo. It had the best 2 symbols, the tulip and the motto “Fly the Friendly Skies of United”. United is an airline that I want to like.
Scott, I really don’t give a damn about United being the largest. What I do care about is your slipping level of service. It’s time for pre-departure drinks and an acceptable level of service in First, real food at the United Club and some appreciation from your staff of our loyalty. At this point you’d be crazy to purchase a seat in first class for CONUS travel. Other than a bigger seat it’s no different from coach.
Hear, hear.
Agreed!!
I agree but do enjoy the selection of chips and other snacks. Bring back real food but also let someone grab a bag of chips on the way out.
I took 2 domestic flights on United today after a couple of months in 1st class (1K). The customer service was defintely better on the ground and in the air and employees seemed to be more cheerful. But no PDB or food in the air apart from the pretzels, Stroopwaffel and water bag in first class. And my seat on one flight was very dirty.
Right biggest doesn’t mean best. As far as lunch with Kerry and Buttigieg, two more vapid individuals you cannot find, I wouldn’t wish that on anyone. Kirby is just trolling for more taxpayer money.
I met Pete and talked with him for a few minutes. Vapid is not a word I would use to describe him. Is he my hero? No. He is an intelligent and personable person. But I guess vapidity is in the eye of the beholder. Kerry? Who knows…
Yet their mechanics will still be the least paid in the industry
The largest and the worst. What a trash of an airline. Waited almost hours inside the plane last week in Denver because they needed to cater the plane for a 70 minutes flight. Yes, they boarded all passengers to find out the plane had not being catered. I was in first class so thought I would have a full dinner since it took a very long time to get all the food on the plane. We took off and I was served a small bottle of Dasani tap water and a Biscoff. I wonder what was served in coach. United and his CEO deserve each other.
Well, no, that would actually be AA these days, if you actually follow the industry
I don’t fly AA although I am a lifetime Platinum with them flying them when they used to be good. I only fly Delta but sometimes have to fly United due to them being the only airline that serves my destination. I am lucky to live in a Delta hub.
Any idea when they will bring back special meals on long-haul international flights? I’m currently considering purchasing food in the airport terminal and bringing it on board since I don’t know what will be served on board, which is pathetic for a long-haul Polaris flight. Meanwhile, AA lets you pre-order from the inflight menu or request a special meal if you don’t like what’s being served.
Also, any idea when the EWR Polaris lounge will reopen? I’m traveling towards the end of this week and am hoping to experience it, especially to have a meal before the flight. TPG reports it’ll open “before Thanksgiving” but I’m not sure what that means exactly.
Thank you!
Newark Polaris Lounge opens on Monday (11/15)!
I am grinning ear to ear. It’s my first international flight in years. Thanks for the good news from a longtime reader but infrequent commenter.
If you don’t mind my asking, any idea about IAH or ORD?
All we know is that both are supposed to open before 12/31.
Thank you for the speedy replies. Much appreciated.
Is 11/15 confirmed? I’ll have a Polaris layover Monday morning.
That’s what lounge staff in EWR are saying—UA has not officially confirmed.
Just get the vaccine, help all of us rational folks out,
Can you explain your reasoning for that? Other than getting it far worse, what proof do you have that the spread is less among non Vader vs vaxxed? And why do you care if people too stubborn to get vaxxed are getting it? Also why are some of the states with the highest vax rates also showed the highest cases per capita currently? Why did you change your life if you feel the vaccine works? And last, do you really think people getting vaxxed will make this go away? Thanks.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/08/cdc-unvaccinated-5-times-more-likely-get-covid-19
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/vaccinated-people-are-less-likely-spread-covid-new-research-finds-n1280583
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/580770-unvaccinated-20-times-more-likely-to-die-from-covid-19-texas-study
https://www.newschannel5.com/news/cdc-unvaccinated-5-times-more-likely-to-get-covid-again-vs-those-who-are-vaccinated
yawn…do some homework yourself for a change
German news agency compiles a list of 75 European athletes who have died “suddenly” in the past 5 months since being fully vaccinated. (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1455320859753787396)
I post links to actual studies & data…you post more mis-information. Let me guess, in addition to microchips in the vaccines, you also think global warming is a hoax.
Fat kills. If fat folx don’t want to get vaccinated, that is fine with me. No need for state coercion. Just raise their insurance premia. They were already choosing a likely early death before the “Chinese virus” showed up. Free to choose, comrade. Free to hide and ignore the data I present. Free to wish death upon me.
https://www.science.org/content/article/why-covid-19-more-deadly-people-obesity-even-if-theyre-young
https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n623
“Attendees love Polaris class and “dozens” have raved to him about the seat and the great service onboard”
Great service onboard LOL
These “reviews” shouldn’t be taken too seriously, considering this a conference full of politicians and other dishonest types.
I just got off UA918 at Heathrow. Complete with a go-around. Honestly, the crew were absolutely delightful. Now it’s time to bring the full onboard Polaris experience back. Macarons and all.
Of course United may turn out to be the largest by laying off thousands in a discriminatory way, pocketing tax payers money issued as cares Act but not distributing to employees.
People! Get ahold of yourselves. Quit trying to turn everything into a political argument. United is making all the right business decisions, including the vaccine requirement for employees, to ensure it will thrive in the future. Stop trying to pick them apart.
State coercion is political.
The eager anticipation of the return of UA’s horrid 772 HDs tells us everything we need to know about how much Kirby cares about the passenger experience.
Oh and Matthew – please feel free to censor the nutjob rants 🙂
Yeah…it’s not going to happen. The #1 white nationalist may be gone from this site, but a few anti-vaxxing misinformation spreaders have filled the void it seems.
Did this joker Kirby offer to fly to Scotland the hoards of Biden admin people on a single United 767 or some such bird? To save the carbon footprint, that is. What s sham.