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Delta Air Lines Suspends Employees For Celebrating Charlie Kirk’s Death

Matthew Klint Posted onSeptember 13, 2025September 13, 2025 121 Comments

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Delta has suspended several employees over social media posts about the murder of Charlie Kirk, pending investigation.

Delta Suspends Employees Over Charlie Kirk Murder Comments

Following the September 10, 2025 killing of political activist Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University, Delta Air Lines says it identified employee social media posts about the incident that violated company policy. In an internal memo circulated on September 13, 2025, CEO Ed Bastian told staff that the employees involved have been suspended while the company investigates and that violations of Delta’s social media policy can lead to termination.

“No one better connects the world” isn’t just a catchphrase — it’s our mission. For 100 years, Delta people have been known for our spirit of service, making the world better one customer at a time.

Whether we’re in uniform and on the clock, online or out in public, our colleagues, customers and communities expect us to reflect Delta’s values — integrity, care and servant leadership — that we hold dear.

This week we were made aware of Delta employees whose social media content, related to the recent murder of activist Charlie Kirk, went well beyond healthy, respectful debate. These social posts stand in stark contrast to our values and our social media policy, and these employees have been suspended pending an investigation. Violations of our social media policy can carry meaningful consequences, including termination.

Remember that we all represent Delta, at all times, in any forum. It’s essential that we act in ways that uphold our shared values and the human connection that defines us.

Thank you for all you do, every day, to take care of our customers and each other.

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— JonNYC (@xJonNYC) September 13, 2025

Delta has not disclosed how many employees were suspended.

The Posts In Question

To properly address them, I think it’s important we look at some of the posts that have stirred so much controversy.

Douglas Gibbs is a Delta pilot. He quoted Kirk on gun control and then added an incendiary final remark on Facebook:

a screenshot of a social media post

Here’s a comment from Captain Sydney Katherine Farruzi, who called Kirk’s death “karma” and said, “I’m torn between decrying political violence, and celebrating a dead nazi.”

a screenshot of a social media post

She was later asked why she had no empathy for Kirk’s death, and responded in this way:

a screenshot of a social media post

a woman taking a selfie in front of an airplane
Delta Captain Sydney Katherine Farruzi

Finally, here’s a post from Teri Lyn Poulton, another Delta pilot, with a response from Farruzi:

a screenshot of a social media post

There are more, but you get the idea. As an aside, Horst Wessel was a member of the Sturmabteilung, the paramilitary wing of the Nazi Party, who became a propaganda symbol in Nazi Germany following his murder in 1930 by two members of the Communist Party of Germany.

Delta Employees Have No Free Speech Rights…

Before I offer my analysis on this, let’s make one thing clear: the 1st Amendment guarantee of free speech protects citizens from the government proscribing or prosecuting free speech. It does not obligate private companies to provide a platform for speech, nor does it shield employees from workplace consequences when their words contradict a company’s stated values or policies.

Employers, especially highly visible ones like Delta, reserve the right to discipline employees for conduct deemed harmful to the brand or inconsistent with corporate standards. That includes speech outside the workplace when it crosses into territory the company considers damaging.

This distinction is critical. Free speech in the constitutional sense means the government cannot silence you. It does not mean you are free from accountability, whether in the public sphere or in your place of employment.

A Sad State Of Affairs

I find the current state of public discourse in America to be deplorable. Anyone celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk is a disgusting human being. Period.

But quoting Kirk on gun control? Fair game. Quoting Krik on empathy? Fair game. America needs to have a difficult conversation on speech, violence, tolerance, civil liberties, and respect. Politics is like a big circle, with the “far left” and “far right” (both labels are superficial) meeting at a mutual point of hatred and intolerance.  It should be no surprise when the chickens come home to roost.

While the government cannot prohibit free speech or lock you up for celebrating the death of Kirk, that doesn’t mean your employer cannot. Seeking to “cancel” those who spew venomous hate is understandable, though I hope those advocating for such action remember what goes around comes around and that the pot calling the kettle black is not a good look. Having a respectful but difficult conversation over the very unstable political situation in America or even the irony of Kirk’s own words, should not bring out the mob.

I have a lot more to say on the death of Charlie Kirk, which we will discuss in the coming days. I again emphasize that political violence is unacceptable and I mourn his passing and grieve for his wife and kids. I hope that if proven guilty, Tyler Robinson is swiftly executed by firing squad.

CONCLUSION

Delta has suspended employees over social media posts about Charlie Kirk’s murder and is conducting investigations under its policy. The airline has not said how many workers are affected or how long the process will take. We can debate the content of these posts, but any posts that cheer on violence or appear to celebrate murder are fair game for Delta to scrutinize, especially when employees may indicate their affiliation with Delta in the same social media accounts. Whatever invisible lines exist between reasonable and unreasonable, saying “rest in piss” or “thoughts and prayers MFer” is the sort of hateful speech that Delta is within its right to punish.

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Matthew Klint

Matthew is an avid traveler who calls Los Angeles home. Each year he travels more than 200,000 miles by air and has visited more than 135 countries. Working both in the aviation industry and as a travel consultant, Matthew has been featured in major media outlets around the world and uses his Live and Let's Fly blog to share the latest news in the airline industry, commentary on frequent flyer programs, and detailed reports of his worldwide travel.

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121 Comments

  1. Billy Bob Reply
    September 13, 2025 at 1:30 pm

    How about some punishment for all the people calling for war on liberals immediately after the shooting. They are all of a sudden pretty quiet about that since it has come out that the shooter killed kirk because he was too liberal.

    Nancy Macy should be tarred and feathered for her reaction

    • Matthew Klint Reply
      September 13, 2025 at 1:32 pm

      As I said, “I hope those advocating for such action remember what goes around comes around and that the pot calling the kettle black is not a good look.” People like Nancy Mace and Laura Loomer are sociopathic hypocrites.

      • Testudo Reply
        September 13, 2025 at 1:41 pm

        Those 2 figures are increasingly mainstream conservative talking heads that continue to have their voices amplified by the current administration.

        • Matthew Klint Reply
          September 13, 2025 at 1:51 pm

          It’s scary, but these people are not conservatives by any classic definition of the word.

    • Batchcaloupe Reply
      September 13, 2025 at 2:11 pm

      Oh yes in fact 3 out of the 4 Nazis thst live in my neighborhood live with their transgender lovers as well. Nazis gravitate towards transgenders. Everyone knows that.

      What a total tool.

    • DJG Reply
      September 13, 2025 at 3:47 pm

      Your words, “the shooter killed kirk because he was too liberal..,” what world are you living in? Motive, if any beyond cray-cray, is well known to be unknown.

      Your words, “some punishment for all the people calling for war on liberals immediately after the shooting some punishment for all the people calling for war on liberals immediately after the shooting,” how about facts/evidence of anyone of any significance other than basement dwellers who your linked to saying such things?

      • Billy Bob Reply
        September 13, 2025 at 4:52 pm

        Guy was a follower of Nick Fuentes, who was feuding with kirk. Fuentes even had to put out a statement to try and de-escalate after this. Nick Fuentes is far to the right of Charlie kirk.

        Trump has pretty much said this is the fault of liberals right off the bat. I would consider him a basement dweller, but would you?

        Jesse Watters said to his viewers “we are at war with them, what are YOU going to do about it?”. Hes on prime time fox news.

        • Walter Barry Reply
          September 13, 2025 at 7:11 pm

          No he was a lefty antifa terrorist.

          • Billy Bob
            September 13, 2025 at 9:11 pm

            How does it feel to be a moron?

          • Walter Barry
            September 14, 2025 at 3:03 am

            I don’t know you tell me.
            You are the one who claims an antifa tranny terrorist is a MAGA.

    • Walter Barry Reply
      September 13, 2025 at 7:10 pm

      Lol
      The shooter was an antifa lefty who has a tranny spouse.

      You libs really can’t admit your ideology is mental illness

      • Pete Reply
        September 13, 2025 at 7:53 pm

        Hi Walter Barry, AKA Dave Edwards, AKA Braying Donkey.

      • Ryan Reply
        September 14, 2025 at 9:11 am

        Being against facism is not a mental illness, it’s what all normal sane people are. Wanting individual rights and liberty is what any sane person wants, and yet you call that a mental illness.

        Stop watching so much newsmax, learn to think for yourself and stop being such a cruel, hateful shew of a human.

        • Walter barry Reply
          September 14, 2025 at 12:47 pm

          Lefties causes this lefties did this
          The shooting was an antifa transgender terrorist.
          The left is about to have their entire world destroyed. The giant is now awake.

          • Ryan
            September 14, 2025 at 10:33 pm

            Nobody on the history of the world has ever given a flying fuck what you think. Stop pretending that you matter.

    • Chi Hsuan Reply
      September 14, 2025 at 1:50 am

      Yes yes it’s all about you Billy Bob, you walking waste of carbon.

      • Billy Bob Reply
        September 14, 2025 at 2:45 am

        How was your night, sitting alone in your hovel?… you know, since nobody loves you

  2. Anne Reply
    September 13, 2025 at 1:47 pm

    “Quoting him without context is not right. He discussed the difference between sympathy and empathy and how empathy can take us to an unhealthy place if we aren’t careful. He never ever said not to have sympathy. And yes he knew his life might be taken by a gun and accepted that there are prices for freedoms. Quoting it as a way to say his death doesn’t matter is a terrible thing.

    • Aaron Reply
      September 13, 2025 at 2:39 pm

      A true and honest Christian would have both empathy and sympathy.

      • DJG Reply
        September 13, 2025 at 3:49 pm

        The point is empathy, towards the others who may be mentally ill, embracing their distorted world just to practice empathy, is dangerous, and unhelpful. And the list of examples would grow if it was worth offering.

        • Aaron Reply
          September 13, 2025 at 3:56 pm

          You can have empathy for others without embarcing their world view.

    • 747always Reply
      September 14, 2025 at 12:22 am

      Nice to see him live up to his ideals.

      I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. – Charlie Kirk

      • Chi Hsuan Reply
        September 14, 2025 at 1:52 am

        I see this a lot of crazed leftists. Of course it’s taken out of context but whatever the Ig story from your favorite influencer must be correct huh?

        • Ryan Reply
          September 14, 2025 at 9:19 am

          He’s a legit ralist who was besties with a child rapist. Qualities that too many people seem to adore.

          • Walter barry
            September 14, 2025 at 1:00 pm

            Lefties are brainwashed
            You awakened a sleeping giant.

        • 747always Reply
          September 14, 2025 at 10:13 pm

          Please run that through google translate and repost. While you did come up with words, they’re incoherent

    • Get real Reply
      September 14, 2025 at 11:28 am

      Completely agree!!!!!!! True honest Christian’s never quote stuff without context. So why do these liberals. /s

  3. Joelfreak Reply
    September 13, 2025 at 1:50 pm

    This is when DL crew is going to wish they had a union to protect them…

  4. David Reply
    September 13, 2025 at 2:05 pm

    The country is f*cked. Time to move to some remote island in the Pacific and chill.

    • Mark Christopher Reply
      September 13, 2025 at 7:01 pm

      Go for it. No ine is stopping you unless of course you have an average job with very little assests.

  5. Andrew H. Reply
    September 13, 2025 at 2:09 pm

    Serious question for the angry Delta pilots.

    What would they have done had Charlie been on their plane?

    Would they have confronted him?

    Had him thrown off?

    Shot him themselves?

    None of them…I repeat none of them…have any of the courage to say to his face what they said online.

    So they should view this as a life lesson learned and try to be less vitriolic.

    While they fly a cargo plane full of rubber dog sh*t out of some fifth world city, of course.

  6. Maryland Reply
    September 13, 2025 at 2:15 pm

    Exactly when we lost human decency and decorum I can’t pinpoint. But you really should not dance on the grave of the deceased until they are laid to rest. Nor should you plot retribution against perceived enemies until you know who they are.

    • Bruce Reply
      September 13, 2025 at 4:09 pm

      January 2025 when Trump became President is when America entered into this mess. You have three more yrs of psychological trauma to endure.

      • Chi Hsuan Reply
        September 14, 2025 at 1:53 am

        I think it was rather 2016 when Trump was elected fair and square and the left did everything possible to de-legitimize him and destroy him professionally and personally.

  7. JRG Reply
    September 13, 2025 at 2:17 pm

    I see all the Nation’s flag ordered to half-mast by King Trump. Didn’t do anything after Minnesota’s assassinations.
    What’s the standard now for half-mast? Used to be presidents, some congress members, supreme court. But now we get the treatment for a pundit?
    What’s the standard when Sean Hannity passes away? National holiday?
    Might as well keep the flags down all the time as we go forward.

    I’m not saying Kirk should have been killed – I have a bigger issue with the disparity of thinking about others in this country…..

    • derek Reply
      September 13, 2025 at 3:02 pm

      actually state and the US flag are at half staff too often. Lots of obscure people dying results in a state governor ordering flags at half staff. They should worry about their state budget instead.

  8. CHRIS Reply
    September 13, 2025 at 2:18 pm

    Good for Delta. I don’t want people who cant control themselves, are impulsive and flippantly disregard rules to be in charge of my safety. What other rules, procedures and regulations are they so cavalierly willing to disregard?

    • Aaron Reply
      September 13, 2025 at 2:54 pm

      Their is no proven correlation between their job performance and what they post on social media.

      • CHRIS Reply
        September 13, 2025 at 3:33 pm

        Ok. So I won’t hear you calling for jobs if we find a pilot who is also an active member of a hate group right?
        Bottom line here is that your employee tell you as a condition of your employment to not do something. You do it any way. The employer has every right here to discipline or even dismiss you.

        • Aaron Reply
          September 13, 2025 at 3:58 pm

          Employees not feeling the sadz over the death of a guy who was a bigot is not the same as employees who actively hate other groups of people.

          • CHRIS
            September 13, 2025 at 4:08 pm

            Then enjoy your unemployment. I wouldn’t think twice to fire you if you defied me.

          • Aaron
            September 13, 2025 at 5:02 pm

            As if I’d work for someonel like you lol

          • Chi Hsuan
            September 14, 2025 at 1:55 am

            Showing that sort of cruelty on social media suggests that they’re a danger to themselves and others. That’s quite different than your line of work Aaron, where the biggest risk is catching HIV

          • Aaron
            September 14, 2025 at 4:42 am

            Lol you need to be more original. Then again, I guess we can’t expect more from you, you hateful human version of an ingrown toenail on a sloth.

    • BenA Reply
      September 13, 2025 at 10:15 pm

      Why not ? Since all those characteristics you describe are exactly what is coming from those in charge in Washington.

  9. Kirk Reply
    September 13, 2025 at 2:32 pm

    Dude looks like a lady. Station him in Dubai.

    • cr Reply
      September 13, 2025 at 11:33 pm

      Yes. Sydney Katherine is far more Sydney than Katherine.

  10. emercycrite Reply
    September 13, 2025 at 2:53 pm

    Trump would see this country burn if he could be king of the ashes

  11. Nathan Jeffries Reply
    September 13, 2025 at 2:57 pm

    What do we do about the employees who shared no affiliation with their employer on their social media page and the only reason this became a thing is because someone else decided to dox them by taking screenshots, sharing personal information derived from a previously established relationship, and then the employer was tagged. Seems like that crosses a line nobody wants.

    • Matthew Klint Reply
      September 13, 2025 at 2:59 pm

      Quite problematic, I agree, especially if there is not even a LinkedIn or other public profile (separate from the incendiary social media post) linking that person to his or her employer.

      • Dale Reply
        September 27, 2025 at 1:36 am

        This could and should be rectified by legislation protection “lawful off-duty conduct” making it illegal for employers to take any adverse action against employees for such lawful off-duty conduct.

    • CHRIS Reply
      September 13, 2025 at 4:09 pm

      when you take selfie of yourself in uniform you make that nexus

  12. derek Reply
    September 13, 2025 at 2:59 pm

    Many people don’t realize what is free speech. Free speech is writing a letter to the editor of a newspaper for publication and not be jailed. Free speech is endorsing a candidate running for office.

    Free speech is not commercial speech. Free speech is not saying anything that your employer doesn’t like. Even government employees have free speech only for matters of public interest, not personnel matters (actually court cases about this).

    If Charlie Kirk is a target, then Rachel Maddox of CNBC would be a target (she shouldn’t be).
    If Charlie Kirk is a target, then Al Franken (former Senator and podcaster now) would be a target (he shouldn’t be).
    If Charlie Kirk is a target, then AOC’s office staffer would be a target (they shouldn’t be).
    If Charlie Kirk is a target, then Tucker Carlson would be a target (he shouldn’t be).
    If Charlie Kirk is a target, then Laura Ingraham would be a target (she shouldn’t be).
    This is crazy that Kirk was shot and killed. (FYI, the top 3 are left wing and the bottom 2 are right wing).

    • Matthew Klint Reply
      September 13, 2025 at 3:02 pm

      I’m not understanding your point. The answer to our political disagreements is not violence…I find that a universal truth. I don’t see people saying Kirk was a legitimate target…I see them arguing that it was no surprise he was murdered when he used the rhetoric he did. I don’t agree with that…but that’s a different point, no?

      • Joe Reply
        September 13, 2025 at 4:22 pm

        Matthew – Charlie Kirk preached violence towards many people. Maybe he didn’t say we should be shot, but he did say we shouldn’t exist, or were evil, or were sick, or were mentally ill, or numerous other things about our sexual orientation, our gender, our religion, or our skin color. He dehumanized me and many of my friends, who feel unsafe walking out the door in rural Utah. Moreover, he said that if we WERE to be shot, it was axceptable collateral damage so that he could carry a gun.

        So I would argue that Kirk’s killer practiced what Kirk preached. I would never say this was acceptable, but it’s obvious.

        • JRG Reply
          September 13, 2025 at 4:43 pm

          Excellent.

  13. Nathan Jeffries Reply
    September 13, 2025 at 3:01 pm

    David J. Harris Jr is someone who started sharing these people’s information as well as hundreds of other screenshots from angry social media warriors who expresses a desired intent of making people lose their jobs. Like revenge porn, people are using inside information to connect dots and cause harm to people.

    • Matthew Klint Reply
      September 13, 2025 at 3:08 pm

      I find David Harris a reprehensible scumbag. Remember this?

      Trump Supporters Flout Mask Policy On United Airlines
      Compassion For Others And The Mask Idiot On American Airlines

      He’s worse than Uncle Tom Leo Terrell, a spinless man with no convictions.

      But that doesn’t mean he should be murdered. I do hope he is humbled…

      • Billy Bob Reply
        September 13, 2025 at 5:00 pm

        Why are bald guys always the biggest A-holes?

      • Dublin Reply
        September 13, 2025 at 5:19 pm

        Uh…..”Uncle Tom?” That’s a little out there. But freedom of speech as you say.
        But that’s considered a pretty derogatory term to call a black person. Have no clue why you felt that was necessary.

        • Matthew Klint Reply
          September 13, 2025 at 5:49 pm

          Because I know him and detest him. He doesn’t even believe what he spews from his mouth.

          • cr
            September 13, 2025 at 11:39 pm

            Matthew. He”s an attorney. ; )

        • Pete Reply
          September 13, 2025 at 8:08 pm

          If the durag fits…

  14. Bob Reply
    September 13, 2025 at 3:07 pm

    You are right on point regarding employees not having free speech rights if their publicly stated words contradict their employers’ stated values or policies. I’ve drafted enough personnel policies to this effect and seen more than one employee terminated for stating something questionable over social media. As for elected representatives, there is unfortunately a different standard to be followed which isn’t always enforced by the governing body overseeing such representatives.

  15. Nacho Reply
    September 13, 2025 at 3:20 pm

    If you don’t support political violence, in this case the assassination of Charlie Kirk, then you also don’t support the death penalty against the accused. You can’t speak about morals and values, then waive them on the other hand.

    • Matthew Klint Reply
      September 13, 2025 at 3:48 pm

      You really can’t see that distinction?

    • Christian Reply
      September 13, 2025 at 4:50 pm

      Umm, no. Political assassinations are not remotely the same as punishment for a murder. There was no jury of his peers determining his fate before the guy got shot. False equivalence.

      • Matthew Klint Reply
        September 13, 2025 at 6:21 pm

        Agreed!

    • Michael Reply
      September 13, 2025 at 8:55 pm

      @Nacho, you win stupidest comment of the internet today.

  16. Christian Reply
    September 13, 2025 at 4:46 pm

    I simply can’t bring myself to regret the death of someone who literally calls for the murder of gay people.

    • Mikwalen Reply
      September 14, 2025 at 7:07 pm

      EXACTLY when did he do that??

  17. PM Reply
    September 13, 2025 at 6:01 pm

    This is not a clever HR policy. Once an employer starts disciplining their staff on the basis of their opinions or actions outside of the workplace, it’ll unavoidably open itself to allegations of taking sides and/or discriminating against certain groups, triggering boycotts and possibly even legal action.

    • Billy Bob Reply
      September 13, 2025 at 9:15 pm

      How about when this weaponization goes a step further and people start fabricating social media posts in order to get an adversary fired? Someone giving you a hard time at work? Make a fake post showing that person saying Charlie kirk had it coming… see where this is headed?

      • PM Reply
        September 14, 2025 at 2:18 am

        Exactly, it’s such an ill-advised approach. In situations like this, the presence of a trade union can sometimes save a company from the consequences of stupid management decisions.

  18. Jerry Reply
    September 13, 2025 at 6:03 pm

    Matthew, I’m curious why you’re generally so bloodthirsty when it comes to criminals. You regularly advocate for capital punishment, and cruel punishments. I find this at odds with the part of you that is, in your hear at least, European. Calling for the execution of someone by a firing squad would be considered barbaric by nearly everyone, probably even in Hungary.

    I mean this sincerely, but would Jesus call for criminals to be executed by firing squad? It seems incompatible with mercy and forgiveness to me, though I know it can be justified in the Old Testament.

    • Matthew Klint Reply
      September 14, 2025 at 10:32 am

      Jerry, I don’t view my position as bloodthirsty, but as rooted in justice. In the U.S., where violent crime and now even political violence are growing concerns, I believe capital punishment remains a legitimate response to the most heinous acts when guilt is proven beyond reasonable doubt.

      Scripture supports this. Romans 13 makes clear that government does not bear the sword in vain: it has the authority and even the obligation to punish evil, which can include the death penalty. Jesus Himself said, “He who lives by the sword will die by the sword,” which affirms that those who commit violence can rightly face violent consequences.

      Mercy and forgiveness are central to the Christian life, but they don’t nullify the state’s responsibility to administer justice. One can forgive a murderer (or rapist) personally and still affirm the government’s duty to carry out the ultimate penalty when warranted.

      • Jerry Reply
        September 14, 2025 at 12:13 pm

        I respect your opinion, that’s why I challenge it. My interpretation of Romans 12 is quite different. “Do not repay anyone for evil.” “Do not take revenge.” To me, this makes me think we shouldn’t kill.

        My belief is that as a society, taking the life of someone as justice actually has a net negative impact on society, if only for the anguish laid upon the loved ones of the perpetrator. If someone kills my sister, and I kill their sister for justice, I don’t believe we’re now better off. Now neither of us have a sister.

        I get that it’s a wedge issue. I can point to the moment my opinion changed on it. It was the night back in 2015 when the Indonesian government executed all of those foreigners to international outrage.

        • Matthew Klint Reply
          September 15, 2025 at 9:53 am

          @Jerry, I appreciate you engaging with this sincerely. Romans 12 is absolutely about our personal conduct: not taking revenge, not responding to evil with evil, leaving judgment to God. But I think it is critical to read Romans 12 in the context of Romans 13, which immediately follows and clearly establishes the state as an instrument of God’s justice, “bearing the sword” not in vain.

          So while I, as a Christian, am not to avenge myself or take the law into my own hands, that does not negate the state’s role in administering justice, including capital punishment where appropriate.

          On the broader point, I don’t see the death penalty as a “net negative” to society when it is applied justly to those guilty of the most heinous crimes. There is a real difference between personal vengeance (killing someone in retribution) and the state carrying out a lawful sentence against a convicted murderer. One is private revenge, the other is public justice.

          I don’t rejoice in executions, but I believe they can uphold order and affirm the value of innocent life in a way lesser punishments do not.

      • Ryan Reply
        September 14, 2025 at 1:46 pm

        Religion and scripture have been used throughout human history to justify some truly vile acts. It’s commonly used today to oppress the lgbtq community.

        One can also find scripture that completely contradicts.

        “Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for gods rath”. Isn’t capital punishment nothing more than the state using murder to take revenge? One can make the argument that it isn’t punishment. Or justice.

        My challenge isn’t with the belief, but using religion and/or scripture to justify them.

        • Matthew Klint Reply
          September 15, 2025 at 9:55 am

          @Ryan: You raise an important caution. Scripture has been twisted throughout history to justify evil, and we should be vigilant not to fall into that trap. But I don’t believe citing Romans 13 to support the authority of the state in punishing wrongdoers falls into that category.

          The command in Romans 12 to “not take revenge” is directed at individuals. Romans 13 then makes clear that governing authorities have a God-given mandate to punish evil (“for he is God’s servant to do you good…but if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain.”) That’s not the state acting out of spite or revenge; it’s the state carrying out justice.

          I don’t see capital punishment as murder. Murder is the unlawful taking of innocent life. The execution of a guilty criminal after due process is not murder, but punishment. Mercy is always possible, and forgiveness always desirable, but justice requires consequences…sometimes the ultimate one.

  19. Southworst Airlines Reply
    September 13, 2025 at 8:28 pm

    I feel that it is wrong to celebrate anyone’s death, even if it were your worst enemy. Imagine someone celebrated your child’s death. No matter what he did, I believe that all humans were created in the image of God, and it is downright wrong to celebrate someone’s passing, especially murder. I know that Kirk is on the other side and that he is saved and in heaven right now. I also believe that most of what he says is true. I do not believe that LGBTQ is wholly right, BUT I will respect and not harm those people, especially knowing that they are being overly harassed. In fact, one of my friends is LGBTQ, and I continue to love and serve both him and all people. I believe that lots of good came from Jesus’ death, and I believe that good will come from Charlie Kirk’s death, too.

    • GUWonder Reply
      September 15, 2025 at 8:14 am

      Don’t recall you complaining about people not mourning Castro’s death, OBL’s death, Hitler’s death, Goebbel’s death, Stalin’s death, Saddam’s death, etc.

      I see no reason to shed tears for a stranger whose ways did harm to people. Charlie Kirk was a supporter of anti-American insurrectionists.

  20. Tim Dunn Reply
    September 13, 2025 at 8:59 pm

    just to be clear, there have been dozens of reports of people getting fired for comments about Kirk’s death.

    This is neither an airline story and, even if you focus on airlines, it is not exclusive to DL.

    • Matthew Klint Reply
      September 13, 2025 at 9:06 pm

      Not trying to criticize or praise Delta here. If this is happening at AA or UA, please let me know—send links.

      • Aaron Reply
        September 14, 2025 at 4:45 am

        Stop saying bad things about DL Matthew!

  21. John Reply
    September 13, 2025 at 9:13 pm

    Social media is a resignation letter in slow motion.

  22. 747always Reply
    September 14, 2025 at 12:16 am

    The irony of someone who was okay with school shootings so that gun rights wouldn’t be harmed being shot on a campus is ridiculous.

    • Chi Hsuan Reply
      September 14, 2025 at 1:57 am

      Charlie Kirk supported school shootings huh? Do you really that dumb or are you fully aware its a straw man and don’t care?

      • 747always Reply
        September 14, 2025 at 10:15 pm

        Can you write in comprehensible English, or are you just that dumb?

  23. 747always Reply
    September 14, 2025 at 12:17 am

    Empathy is a new age made up term that does a lot of damage – Charlie Kirk

  24. Ryan Reply
    September 14, 2025 at 12:49 am

    What a dystopian nightmare this once great nation has become. Violence is not the answer to any question. All this hatred has to stop.

  25. Chi Hsuan Reply
    September 14, 2025 at 1:58 am

    Why are most of the people that post this almost always fat and/or ugly? Does being ugly also make you unable to keep your mouth shut?

    • Aaron Reply
      September 14, 2025 at 4:47 am

      Well that explains why you never keep your mouth shut…

      • Chi Hsuan Reply
        September 14, 2025 at 10:18 am

        You never keep yours shut either Aaron, except when it’s around an anonymous man’s c*ck.

        • Aaron Reply
          September 14, 2025 at 11:53 am

          You’re waaaaaay more obsessed with cock than I am, based on your comments all over this website. Just sayin’…

  26. Walter Barry Reply
    September 14, 2025 at 3:00 am

    Turns out the lefty shooter also has a tranny boyfriend.
    So it was not only antifa terrorism but LGBT terrorism as well

    • Aaron Reply
      September 14, 2025 at 4:46 am

      He was also from a conservative gun loving Christian family.

      • Walter barry Reply
        September 14, 2025 at 1:03 pm

        Yeah sadly that didn’t help. He was radicalized by the online left. Hope the FBI goes after them.

        • Aaron Reply
          September 14, 2025 at 3:09 pm

          Nah, you are just being nonsensical.

    • Ryan Reply
      September 14, 2025 at 8:53 am

      Stop using words you don’t know the meaning of. Make America great again by taking your hatred and leaving.

    • Billy Bob Reply
      September 14, 2025 at 9:55 am

      You boomers are so easy to dupe. You are so out of touch, you dont even know what you are talking about. The evidence that this guy is a nick fuentes style far right winger is something you just won’t be able to understand. Time to go to the old folks home

      • Chi Hsuan Reply
        September 14, 2025 at 10:19 am

        Eat the turds as they leave my anus Billy Bob – you lying b*tch

        • Billy Bob Reply
          September 14, 2025 at 11:43 am

          https://www.reddit.com/r/thescoop/comments/1ngt5ep/trump_smart_people_dont_like_me/

          Truer word have never been spoken. Trump thinks you are dumb

      • Walter barry Reply
        September 14, 2025 at 1:02 pm

        Lol keep spreading that misinformation. The gov of Utah came out and confirmed he was gay living with his trans boyfriend. Everyone knew he was being radicalized by the left.

        Like the last 9 mass killers he was an antifa lefty somehow affiliated with transgenderism.

        This is on you.

        • Billy Bob Reply
          September 14, 2025 at 3:24 pm

          The governor of Utah is not a credible source. He is just setting a narrative and hoping the facts back him up. Hint: they dont. You dinosaur boomers dont understand anything. The inscriptions on the shell casings were video game callbacks. There is no trans roommate. That’s all fiction.

          He is far right. Just like the guy that “shot” Trump. Just like the guy that killed the Minnesota politicians. Just like the Vegas shooter.

          Since you are far right, we should assume you are a threat… except you too old and useless to really do anything

          • Chi Hsuan
            September 15, 2025 at 1:28 am

            And Reddit IS a reliable source, you feces devouring weasel? I suppose when you’re a sick leftist then of course you would believe what the echo chamber has to say.

            At this point I don’t know if you’re trolling or if you are seriously so deluded that you actually believe this, you coprophile freak.

          • walter barry
            September 15, 2025 at 7:28 pm

            There isn’t a “narrative” other than the one reddit is pushing, every day more information is coming out about this homosexual trany lover and he’s being shown for the radicalized lefty he was.

            It’s funny how pathetic you people are with how you are trying to spin this.

            The left are commit all the violence this year.

    • GUWonder Reply
      September 15, 2025 at 8:03 am

      Yet again a Republican family’s right-wing son has engaged in deadly Republican family violence. It happened in 2024 at the Trump campaign rally in Butler, Pennsylvania; same sort of thing with Charlie Kirk’s being killed by a Republican family member.

      Deadly politically violence in the country & school shootings would drop a lot if Republican families weren’t allowed gun ownership & use.

  27. Walter barry Reply
    September 14, 2025 at 1:04 pm

    Why do airlines even employ transgender pilots? They are mentally unwell and shouldn’t be allowed near and airplane. Hope the trump faa pulls their medical certificates.

    • Ryan Reply
      September 14, 2025 at 1:18 pm

      Seriously stop the damn hate you pathetic mental patient of an asshole.

      • Aaron Reply
        September 14, 2025 at 3:10 pm

        Trump did say smart people do not like him, which says it all.

    • GUWonder Reply
      September 15, 2025 at 7:56 am

      Your beloved mentally ill, chief living male co-conspirator in the Trump-Epstein-Maxwell child sex abuse scandal has the nuclear football. That’s a real danger.

  28. Jeff fa-fa Reply
    September 14, 2025 at 1:54 pm

    Guess I won’t be flying delta again. That was easy.

  29. Pam Thickett Reply
    September 14, 2025 at 10:40 pm

    “Anyone celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk is a disgusting human being. Period.” Are you serious? He wanted the US to follow Biblical law, which would have supported the stoning to death of gay people. Good riddance.

    • Chi Hsuan Reply
      September 15, 2025 at 1:24 am

      You’re a liar AND a disgusting human being.

      • GUWonder Reply
        September 15, 2025 at 7:53 am

        Charlie Kirk was the kind of disgusting human being who supported the stoning of homosexual people. He was a lot like the Taliban in that regard, so I saw him as an American Taliban — except more racist than the Taliban.

        • Chi Hsuan Reply
          September 15, 2025 at 7:56 am

          Awe trying to be nasty are we?

          • GUWonder
            September 15, 2025 at 8:46 am

            It’s nasty to ignore the nastiness peddled by a greedy public figure, past or present. Historical accuracy is a kindness to humanity while whitewashing & snowflake “cancel culture” is nasty.

          • Chi Hsuan
            September 15, 2025 at 11:16 am

            Whatever you say Karen

  30. GUWonder Reply
    September 15, 2025 at 7:49 am

    Politically-motivated murders in the US are a hallmark of far right violence on “the other”. The numbers are quite clear that the US has an extremist right wing politically-motivated murder problem that far exceeds other kinds of politically-motivated murder in the country.

  31. Asa George Reply
    October 10, 2025 at 12:52 am

    Charlie Who? Does anyone really give a sh*t? I don’t.Anyway it’s October and soo 20 minutes ago.

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